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Three-sided stools

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

For the past 25 years, we have lived with these Ikea bench stools in our kitchen ...


We do not eat much at the bench, but they get used. More recently Lynndy suggested that we replace them, and I thought that this would be a good excuse to build something inspired by Wharton Escherick, whose stools are just so organic and profound in their simplicity.


The design was also influenced by a point made by Lynndy that a fixed-height footrest does not fit everyone. I thought about this and it occurred to me that the stretchers on the Escherick stools could form the basis of a slightly different design - make the seat three-sided, and one could choose the stretcher height to suit.

The last requirement was that the wood must be Hard Maple, to match the kitchen I built a few years ago. I would have preferred a contrasting top, say in Walnut, but She Who Must Be Obeyed vetoed this. So ...



I did manage to get contrasting wedges for the tenons passed her :)


The stretchers ....


One last one ...


I'll am happy to post build photos if there is interest.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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John Jardin

Wow, Wow, Wow!!

I've decided to pursue Windsor chair building and you and your stools are so inspirational to that end...Thank you Derek.

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Paul Leuba

Beautiful stools. How did you arrive at the correct angle to drill the mortises for the stretchers given the rake and splay of the legs, Derek?

Paul in Hint Valley, MD

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

Paul, I have made a few others, and decided to go with 10 degrees. In reflection, 11 degrees may have been better - not for stability, as these are very stable, but just for a fractionally wider splay.

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Joe shelton

I'm with Johnin admiration, and I think many of us would enjoy your depiction of shaping, refining and assembling those stools.

Did you, at any point, use a compass plane?

Thanks for showing these...

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

Joe, no to the compass plane - those are better for uniform curves. The seat has a hollow, and the shaping tool of choice is a travisher. I have a few I have made. This is the one used. It has a shallow curve ...


Regards from Perth

Derek

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Kneale Brownson

Wonderful


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Pete in Holland MI

Neat stools. I like the variable spreader height justification & implementation.

Just wondering about the wedged tenons on top. Shouldn't the wedges be 90 degrees to the grain, so the pressure of the wedge is less apt to split the top?

Nice work !

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

Just wondering about the wedged tenons on top. Shouldn't the wedges be 90 degrees to the grain, so the pressure of the wedge is less apt to split the top?

Pete, in theory, yes. We shall see if theory meets practice ... :)

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Very nice!


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roger lance

Of course, we want to see the build photos as well.....wonderful outcome!!

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Absolutely beautiful....

Barry Irby

I recently made some four legged stools for a friend. Mine look Oafish and heavy compared to yours.

I would like to see a build depiction. Especially how to drill the holes for the rungs.

And I too wondered about the orientation of the wedges. Oh, I agree with you about the tops. Perhaps it's an Eye of the Beholder thing but I thought the legs should have been at a nine degree angle. The look a tad crowded to me.

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Very attractive

Yonak

Derek, those stools are real beauties. Wonderfully designed and shaped. The meat in the legs at the top looks much better than your sample and so does the seat shape .. perfect. I love the grain and strength of ash.

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Nice job Derek


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Virgil Johnson

Nice work.

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Jim Dillon

Beautiful and so functional. I agree with Yonak that the slightly thicker leg looks better than the original and not so "spindly". Toss-up on the choice of wood for the seat but the more I look at the final result, the more I like it. For sure, I would love to see some construction pictures. Thanks for posting. Jim

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Some build highlights

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

I've not made a large number of these stools, more like a half dozen, and so I hardly count as an expert here. There are others on the forums with so much more relevant experience.

Past stools have used a scorp, pull shave and travishers to shape seats, and the legs were drilled with a brace and auger bit. Tenons and mortices were tapered with shop made reamers and tenon makers ...


For this build I decided to go a different route, and combine power and hand tools. One reason was that the wood chosen was Hard Maple, which is a little more work to excavate than, say, a softwood such as Radiata Pine.

The boards for the seats needed to be glued from two sections as the seats were 14" across, and the maximum I had was 12". I was reasonably successful in disguising this with two of the seats. The thickness of 1 1/2" could have been 1 1/4" and saved some shaving.

The stools ended up 27 1/2" high, and the legs were shaped from 1 1/2" square x 31" long sections.

Below are seats cut and the template used for both the outline and marking the position of the legs ...


I made a simple fixture for production ripping the legs on the slider ...


Later, I built a version of this with an adjustable parallel guide fence. This will rip any width and also taper legs.


The plan was to drill the mortices on the drill press using a 24mm WoodOwl auger for this purpose (no leading screw). These are to be parallel-, not tapered mortices ...


The legs are a 10 degree rake and, being three legs and arranged around essentially a circle, the resultant angle is simply a line to the centre.



Not a lot of skill required here.

More machine work, but some hand working coming in ...

The seats were turned on the lathe. Just a shallow hollow required. The reason for doing it this way was to create an even hollow in what is a three-corned, but round seat ...


While at it, rough turned the legs ..


Finally, the hand tools take over. First it is the drawknife to rough out the tapers on the outside edges ...


Then I had a fun time using different spokeshaves (I had not had a chance to use any in some months, so this was making up for lost time) ..


The Stanley #84 and #85 is an amazing shave (Jim, I believe that you gave me these). These work on the same principle as a travisher: the toe has a slight (2-3 degree) taper, which enables the depth of cut to be altered with the angle it is held to the work piece. The shaving done here is largely end grain, and the other shave to shine was the Veritas LA.

The hollowed seats were further shaped and smoothed with a travisher ...


Then back to shaves for shaping the sides. The HNT Gordon can shave into the grain, while the lower angle of the LN leaves a finer finish ...


I smoothed the surfaces with a scraper ...


... however Lynndy disapproved and wanted a sanded finish, which is how it ended.

There are a few gaps in the photos collected, such as the shaping of the legs. Not a lot here other than they taper from 25mm at the base, to 38mm at the swell, and then down to 30mm at the start of the tenon. The tenon is 24mm.

Here is a shot of the three stools with legs inserted ...


... and another with one set of stretchers in place ...


If anything, it is the fitting of the stretchers that was one of the more exacting parts of this build.

Over-length stretchers. These are 25mm at the centre and will have 5/8" tenons ..


The steps in fitting the stretchers were ..

Firstly, I created a template for the positions of the legs, drawing these onto a sheet of MDF ...


The lines joining the legs provided a guide for drilling.

The height of the legs were marked. These were at 160mm, 190mm and 220mm. It is advisable to do these one set at a time, that is, drill the mortices, and insert the stretcher for one set of legs, then move to the next height. The reason: it is a little like fitting mitres - three corners are easy, but the last might require a little massaging. Insert the stretchers for two sets of legs, and then the last set can be marked accurately.



Once the mortices are drilled (halfway), then the stretchers are measured for length. The ends of the stretchers can be turned exactly to 5/8". A great tool for this is the Sorby Sizing Tool Set (photo from Elia Bizzarri) ...


When glueing up, the stretchers-into-legs must be inserted first. Only then is it possible to do the leg tenons-into-seat mortices. Once the seat goes on, the structure is triangulated, and it becomes incredibly rigid. The stretchers would be impossibly be come out unless the seat is removed.

The last task is to level the legs ...


.. and saw them off ...


The stools were finished in one coat of Ubeaut Hard Shellac (for a little amber), and then three coats of General Finishes water-based poly were rubbed on. This finish is hard-wearing and does not yellow.


Regards from Perth

Derek

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Paul Leuba

Thank you for that very thorough description, Derek. Very informative with the pictures.

Well done!

Paul in Hunt Valley, MD

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Some insights

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

I would like to hear more about how you designed the stool top. How did you get from the idea of a triangular top to the attractive shape you wound up with? Drawings, practice examples in "pine" ??

I have never sat on a triangular stool. Undeniably attractive. Is this seat shape as comfy as a round stool top?

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

I would like to hear more about how you designed the stool top. How did you get from the idea of a triangular top to the attractive shape you wound up with? Drawings, practice examples in "pine" ??

I have never sat on a triangular stool. Undeniably attractive. Is this seat shape as comfy as a round stool top?

Bill, there is something just right about the stools of Wharton Escherick ...


I love these. But it was apparent to me that they have a definite "side" you sit on.

These were more triangular, but still one side to sit on when you look at the placement of the hollow ...


This is another stool, also influenced by Escherick, by an Australian, Bern Chandley. What I found attractive about this version is that he did something interesting with the seat. He also kept it lean and slim, which adds to a sense of lightness and grace. This is a quality that Escherick passed down ...


The shaping, again, however, indicates a single side for seating, which offers only one height for the stretchers.

I liked the simplicity of the Thos Moser stool, which is round (Lynndy vetoed a round seat) ...


I then began thinking of a combination of round and Escherick, and this led to the rounded triangle. The round is why I first turned the hollow for the seat - it needed to be symmetrical.

It is such a simple, and basic shape, I cannot believe that others have not made something close to it (but have not seen one the same).


As to comfort? Yes, they are comfortable .. well, at least far more than the original stools, which have flat seats. I think anything would be so :)

Regards from Perth

Derek

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That's your kitchen..

Jim Matthews

Do your neighbors know they live next door to a furniture showcase?

Lawd

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Just curious

AZ in Colorado Springs

You turned the legs using a lathe. Why taper them at the table saw before turning them? Why not simply cut the taper at the lathe?

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

You turned the legs using a lathe. Why taper them at the table saw before turning them? Why not simply cut the taper at the lathe?

AZ, I did not taper the stock for the legs on the tablesaw. The tablesaw only ripped the stock to width. The tapering was done on the lathe.



Regards from Perth

Derek

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Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

so how did you get from what you just described to the final shape? There are a lot of decisions to be made and each needs to be just right or the result would be neither attractive or comfy. Did you arrive at a result through drawing alone, some mock up seats, luck :) .....?

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