Just to break your heart

Re: Oh, no...I say to myself...

William R. Duffield on the Cohansey

>Grieve not for the hypothetical old widder woman. If she is selling her dearly departed's old tools at such a bargain, there can be only one explanation. She cared little for what he loved and cherished out in his shop. She never shared that love with him. Worse, she probably gave him heck every time she caught him bringing home another rare treasure, so he had to hide the cost, and therefore the value, of these from her. Think how much more rewarding the old man's career or avocation would have been if his wife had shared his appreciation of it with him. He probably would have lived a bit longer as well, if he had had her support.

Another heartbreaking tale

David Miller from Iowa

>The Kane County (Illinois) flea market is a monster and was an awesome place for tools before eBay (not so great for tools now). A friend of mine was a tool dealer that had a permanent spot and, as a dealer, got in hours before the masses and would pick up all the tool bargains. Probably 30% of what he sold was stuff he picked up two hours before.

Anyway, he found a guy with a #1, and the guy said he knew it was a rare plane. My dealer friend asked him how much he wanted and the guy replied "Fifteen" or $1,500. He passed.

Well, another one of our tool aquaintences comes along and buys it for $15. A simple miscommunication.

Re: Just to break your heart

Ernie Miller Topeka

>Interesting thread you have started here! Should I add to it? Why not. I'm happy to live with all of your openions. I could sit around and pay myself �50 an hour to not look for tools but what fun would that be? My wife sleeps in on saturday mornings and I'm not stupid enough to wake her up dinking around the house. And then there is all of the interesting people who I get to meet. I sell a few tolls and I might make a buck or two but I'm not out spending money at bars or doing things that have no real value for me or society. I'm not gaurenteed a profet on every thing I buy either I end up with boat loads of scrap iron just to get one or two things in a box. I can buy the most perfect #60 for $6 and if only one person bids on it sell it for $25 instead of the $40-60 it should bring. am I happy? no but I made a proffet and I move on. It's the hunt That keeps me going. And My pile of saws is getting realy small these days but I bet there is at least one in most rooms of the house right now.

Special Knowledge

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>In my opinion(oh, here we go again eh) I don't think that having knowlwdge what tool is valuable and what tool isn't would fall into the catogory of special knowledge.

I think special knowledge would be more in the line of business like stock trading for instance. Seems to me that what got Martha Stewart into trouble in the first place. Somebody with Special Knowledge contacted her, and said something like "Hey Martha' ol gal, ya' better dump that stock cause the bottom is fixin' to drop out of it ricky-ticky". So now, what's Martha to do? Well, business being business, and self preservation being a basic human instict, she dumped the stock. Next thing you know somebody's asking here, did you know that the bottom was fixing to drop out, and she said No. She knew what she did was wrong because she was a former dealer in stocks, so what was she to do? At any rate, I think that is more in the line of Special Knowledge.

If Special Knowledge Falls into antique tool buying as well, than I guess I'm guilty as sin myself as I have picked up a few things for bargin prices, as we all have I'm sure.

But, than what the heck do I know about the law? I simply try to live my life based on the 10 Commandments with "Do unto others as you'd have done to you" as my main guide as I think that one covers most of the bases.

Agree with you Sir William, as I said in an earlier post, if I thought the widow was a miserable old battle ax who made her husbands life a living hell, I'd not only buy it for $10, but try to haggle her down to at least $7, that is if I could maintain enough self control to remember to do so. ;~)

Todd O.

Re: Lennon not Lenin...

Todd Hughes

>...."don't worry about spelling, grammar and run on sentences"....

Not speaking for others but I do this in an attempt to come across as a slow head so that you guys will feel sorry for me and give me more for the tools I sell! Been watching Sling Blade for pointers and am thinking now about having a yard sale this weekend. Think I can get $50 for some busted no. 4 planes if I wear susspenders, hike my pants up and get my Billy Bob grunting more realistic? Maybe if I set there and sharpen a lawn mower blade while staring off in space, eh?.......Todd

Re: Lennon not Lenin...

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>I'd suggest that you sharpen the lawn mower blade using a piece of pine. ;~)

I never saw Sling Blade, so I'm abit in the dark as to what character you're refering to.

I was wondering about the Lenin/Lennon reference myself, I guess I got it now. Folks buid a shrine to John Lennon and follow his "teachings".

Ahhhhhhhh well, so it goes eh?

Todd O.

Things of no importance...

Todd Hughes

>Somtimes it is hard for us to understand that to so many people things that we vaule are just so much junk.While I do think most people do like and want the green stuff the reason they sell stuff way to cheap is because to them it is just not worth anything and they have no interest in it.With the powder Horn i talked about the two old women told me it was given to their Dad when they were girls by a Hobo,[who probably stole it!] in exchange for a meal.To them it was just somthing that gathered dust around the house and they were quite happy to get the $20 for it and no doubt thought i was rather stupid to pay that for something that held no interest to them. This was one of the horns that got me interested in collecting powder horns which has led to me having a collection of over 150, it has been written about and shown in a magazine article, shown to many other collectors who enjoyed it and even copied by modern horn smiths. I really think i was ment to have it and have no bad feelings whats so ever for getting it so cheap.I did get them down from $25 which today I wouldn't do but the one sister told the other"Oh, that what they do here" and quite happly sold it to me for $20.....Todd

Re: And of course

Ernie Miller Topeka

>If some one is set up at a flea market of anteek shop then they are running a buisness and they have the responsability to run it like one. That is knowing what they are doing and selling. If they are stupid lazy or just don't care it is not my problem. Little old ladies? Around here it is not the little old ladies it's there children that are wanting to sell the stuff as fast and easily as possable to get them in a home and out of there hair. They deserve what they get. You feal for the lady because of her kids but she raised them.

Re: You're a real pal Mike

Ernie Miller Topeka

>I beleave that Your that guy that comes to the garage sale complanes you don't have enough money then when pushed you pull out that last few dollars and complain that I ma taking the last of your Beer money it's a hot afternoon and you will be sweating up a storm cleaning all that rust off the item you just had to have and no beer to keep cool. And I know you have a twenty folded in your other pocket.

Re: What Is To Be Done?

William R. Duffield on the Cohansey

>IMO, Todd's reference to Vladimir I. Lenin (reference works, here) is more appropriate in this context than the work of John Lennon, for example, Imagine.

neither

wally b

>Regarding the context of this forum would not the most appropriate person to build a shrine to, and sit under a picture of, be Leonard (Bailey)?

Re: Things of no importance...

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>Yeah Todd, I hear ya' buddy. Just as was stated elsewhere in this thread, each situation is different due to the different cast of characters.

Perhaps I do get a bit touchy about elderly folks being mistreated. Lord, I hope I never get into the position where I find a $10 #1 being sold by a kindly, pleasant widow who has made fresh lemonade and cookies to serve to her customers.

I went out to the shop awhile to muck about, but it is too hot out there to stay long, but while out there I had a revelation if you will, and that is perhaps something that was over looked by most of us in this thread. That being that you yourself are an antique dealer/businessman, and by being so simply see it as a business transaction. Most others of us are merely "accumulators" and users and therefore don't see it in that light. Being a business man does put a little different spin on it, and I can fully understand it.

I'd like to see the horn next time I'm up. Looks like it won't be anytime soon tho. :~(

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh well, so it goes eh?

Todd O.

reminds me:

wally b

>(Sorry for the thread hijack)

Todd, some time ago you told a story about an acquaintance that bought some pre-Civil War flags dirt cheap, quickly resold them for a profit margin that even Warren Buffet could not realize in 40 years, and was later threatened with a law suit by the original sellers. What is the status of that situation?

It seems to me that this case could go either way, just as Bill described, depending on the State that this took place in, and how that particular State interprets the law.

Curious minds want to know the status.

Thanks,

Wally b

Re: What Is To Be Done?

Rob Brophy

>William...care to elaborate? How is Lenin more appropriate than Lennon regarding treating other people with love, fairness and respect?

Re: neither

William R. Duffield on the Cohansey

>How about Stewart Spiers, or Henry Disston, or Henry Bessemer, or even Paul Bunyan?

Re: reminds me:

Todd Hughes

>Last I heard the family that took the flags to the auction didn't have a case and nothing has come out of it, after all they loaded it into thier truck, took it to the auction and then unloaded it thierselves so kind of hard to say they didn't mean to sell it......Talked to his friend/partner sat. and he was all excited about a vaulable german lugar pistol he almost got till the old woman talked to the police who persuaded her to turn it in,[for nothing!] to be "destroyed". Told me one of the cops at the station has a very extensive pistol collection including many Lugars....Hmmmmm you don't think?....Todd

Re: What Is To Be Done?

William R. Duffield on the Cohansey

>Both of them had some good ideas, but both had some really wacko ideas as well. However, Lenin appears to have been a brutal fanatic (at least, according to the histories we were taught in classrooms that flew the Stars and Stripes). If we wish to compare John Lennon to Karl Marx, that might be more enlightening. The problem there, as I see it, is that neither understood the moral difference between giving a man a fish and teaching a man to fish, much less the higher moral standard illustrated by the man who wrote the story of the loaves and fishes on the shores of the Sea of Galilee.

Re: reminds me:

wally b

>Yup... fringe benefits.

wally b

Babe, definitely Babe.

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, Florida

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Re: Yup, Stanley

Kevin French, Antrim, NH

>Todd O wrote: There still out there folks and one day I'm gonna get me a $5 #1.

AND I'M GOING TO FIND ONE IN THE DUMP!

KEVIN

And if you do Mister Man!

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>Please keep it from my ears else'n I'm liable to just bust into tears.

I was fixin' to but a New England ADB (All Dump Bullentin) out on you, where ya' been off to?

Todd O.

nah--the first ape who...

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>...picked up a stick in "A Space Oddesy."




/jvs

Re: And if you do Mister Man!

Kevin French, Antrim, NH

>CAMPING! in my 32' 5th wheeler. Still moving in, all that hardware still sitting on the floor, same with most of my tools. I still don't have power to the saw. But I've got a great garden, got it in late but doing well

Had a yard sale got rid of a couple truck loads, and the rest, as I took a box in and the last one I took in was coming out. By the time I left the dump so had all the stuff I brought.

LOTS of small pieces from the dump but there were TWO (2) Husqvarna Mow'ahs the 6 hp fired up on the first pull, the 3.75 took a little shot of the hot stuff, but runs great now. I gave both away.

And there was a big screw jack now that I don't have that big old barn.

Falls coming and then I can settle in and build a shop

Re: IIRC, it was a tapir tibia

William R. Duffield on the Cohansey

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good eye!

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

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