New Plane Announcement Coming...

Don't know if this counts either... *LINK*

Luke Herzberg

>...but on my last trip to Woodcraft I discovered that Stanley still makes this one. They said Stanley does a poor job of getting info to the end user on what tools they still make, and even as retailers they are sometimes in the dark.

- Luke


Rabbet Plane

Re: Yah, I know who that smilely was for

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>"I guess the trade off is how the plane performs in the air, vs how it performs on the wood! :) "

And I'll say again that "air" time is almost as important as "wood" time for a person who is really using a hand plane for most or all of their planing tasks. It directly influences fatigue as a result of repetitive stress. And fatigue begins to influence ones choice to hand plane and even the quality of the results.

This, IMO, is indeed one of the reasons why a lot of people take a liking to some wooden planes. In my experience, a Knight Coffin or ECE Primus, or LV/LN #4.5 or #6 (as just some examples) are comfortable to handle both on and off the wood. In my experience, the typical Spiers #7 style infill or a new plane which shall be nameless are not so comfortable compared to others of their same function. Then there are the Knight Japanese Bladed Infill plane or ECE Primus Jointer planes (again, as some selected examples--there are many more) which are just ergonomic abominations. So what do I chose for most extended planing tasks? The ones that are more comforatable to use both on and off the wood. The larger and heavier the plane, the more good "air time" characteristics are important. Yes, I'll fiddle with a difficult to adjust and/or relatively more fatiguing plane to achieve the ultimate surface for a final pass (or if it is the only plane I have available for that task); fortunately there are enough good planes out there that this is rarely necessary anymore.

So we want our planes to perform superbly for the task at hand, but the task at hand is using the plane to surface wood. The operative word is "using" and that requires optimal performance both on the wood and the time in the air returning for a new stroke and beginning to position the plane for the next.

Just my editorial for the day. One I know you've read before.

Veritas plane still good for "shooting" the breeze

Eric Hedberg

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Re: DARE

John Horobin

>Not heard about these - tell me more!

John

Re: what we need...

John Horobin

>Anant still make most of them and Stanley still make the #78. Interestingly I hear the patterns for the Record 020C Circular have been destroyed!

John

Hee hee...

Rob Lee

>...I barely put any bait on the hook... :)

I KNEW you'd reply to that one...told Terry so when we met just after noon...

BTW -

Check your email!

Cheers -

Rob

:-)

Lyn J. Mangiameli

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Transcript of Eric's conversation...

Brent Langdon, Sterling VA

>Eric: Hey honey I have the perfect gift for my birthday! It is something that I really need.

LOML: Let me guess. ANOTHER tool. How much is this one going to cost?

Eric: I don't know.

LOML: What do you mean "I don't know"? What is it?

Eric: I don't know, but I read about it at Woodcentral.

LOML: So you need this tool, you do not know what it costs and you do not even know what it is. Is that correct?

Eric: Yep, that sounds about right.

LOML: You truly are insane! (as she wonders how to block access to the Woodcentral site)

I hope it's a LV version of a #9

Paul Gardner, San Francisco

>I've been waiting for something like it for a long time. Hey Rob, if I'm right do I get one as a prize? ;->

Re: I hope it's a LV version of a #9

MikeL in SoCal

>If not, I hope they have one in the works.

Cheers,

Mike

Transcript of Eric's conversation (The real one)

Eric Hedberg

>Brent, after being married almost 24 years the conversation is more like this.

LOML: Your birthday is coming up. Tell me what tool you're going to order this time from Lee Valley so I can look for it in the mail.

Eric: Don't worry I'll watch for it.

LOML: You can watch for it, but you can't open it til your birthday.

Eric: :-(

Re: New Plane Announcement Coming...

William Duffield on the Cohansey

>Observing the situation from the tributaries of the Delaware Bay, I think we are all, already slobbering knuckledragging throwbacks. Rob&Co.'s efforts just allow us to slobber on a higher plane, and for less money.

Re: I'll take two!

William Duffield on the Cohansey

>Atonality is not a prerequisite. The use of the chromatic scale, e.g., in "Tristan und Isolde" is sufficient.

Your theorist friend may have been a devotee of Samuel Langhorn Clemens, who quipped in his autobiography, "Wagner's music is better than it sounds."

For more opinions on Wagner by Twain, see the following essay.

Re: I hope it's a LV version of a #9

paul womack

>A low angle jack, with large side cheeks could probably do "passably well" as a shooting plane, obviating the need for a dedicated tool.

Since the LV low angle smoother already hads this feature, I imagine a jack size version would too.

So you might "want" a LV #9, but you probably won't "need" one.

BugBear (with a Record #T5)

Re: I'll take two!

David Barnett

>Hahaha... yeah, I found out a couple years later I'd been had (not the first or the last time).

"Atonality is not a prerequisite. The use of the chromatic scale, e.g., in "Tristan und Isolde" is sufficient."

Boy, how I've endured endless latenight rants on the Tristan Chord, Mahler's prescient tonal deconstructions, and Boulez' monochordalism. And all along I thought music was supposed to sound 'nice' and paintings were supposed to look 'pretty' (sigh). I don't think I'm ready for post-postmodernism. No wonder I work wood.

Yup -

Rob Lee

>...if it's a #9 - we'll give you one...

Cheers -

Rob

Rob, you're having way too much fun with this...

Ted Owen, Pittsburgh

>I can easily picture the grin on your face. : )

Best, Ted

Ya know Rob I was thinking...

Eric Hedberg

>Lyn has a good point about that air time issue. Maybe your designers could drill a couple holes on the bottom of the plane. Hook the ports into a pnuematic line with a finger trigger and you have the first lift assist plane. With return stroke assist we could use those heavy suckers well into our 80's without problem. Plus you could leap frog all the knarly stuff without interupting your stroke. Heck toggle the switch to a rear jet port and you'd have the first jet assist wood plane. Great for the wicked stuff. Whoa, maybe better cut back on the coffee today. ;-) Eric

To let you in on a secret...

Rob Lee

>...one time, Lyn had a very early prototype of a longish plane, where one of the forward components was milled from solid steel...that certainly affected the balance in a noticeable way....the steel component was 1/2-3/4 pound more than the production piece...

To give him credit - he comments about everything he notices, and makes no assumptions about what we plan to do in production versions...exactly as he should.

Cheers -

Rob

Re: I'll take two!

William Duffield on the Cohansey

>I experienced a symphony which used floor sanders and several other unconventional "instruments." Excluding the sanders, vacuum cleaners, shotguns, etc., the music was interesting. Does anyone know any tips for tuning a dust collection system?