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Re: Underbench cabinet: 14. Dovetailing for blood! *LINK*

#26

green tape

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

Not much humour about blue tape at this time. Sorry.

You are going to see bits of green tape in my posts until your sense of humor returns.

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#27

Re: The Green Tape Method of Scribe Line Enhanceme

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

I don' t know where I got it so I have a limited opportunity to demonstrate its superiority, or kindle new manufacturing.

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#28

I have a better idea..

Mark Nowicki

.. woodgrain paper tape.

Will be available to match the grain of most popular species, custom orders will be considered.

My Go-Fundme page: woodworkersaarsuckersforleevalleygadgets.

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#29

Re: The Green Tape Method of Scribe Line Enhanceme

Brad Chenoweth

Bill,

The only green tape I have seen is the "frog tape". I predict that your frugality gene will force you to return to blue tape, as soon as you realize that the green stuff costs 75% more :>) (I don't know how to insert a smiley face here)

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#30

I know where you got it...

John in NM

Same place as blue tape. The green version I've seen is painters tape "for rough surfaces".... leaving that opportunity open for others - I'm interested in testing your hypothesis about COVID side effects. I have a theory that you've identified the symptom but mistaken the cause of it :D

3M also makes a kinda blue-grey version I've seen, but I wasn't paying much attention so I don't recall what it's particular niche may have been.

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#31

Nothing new there...

John in NM

"Scary Sharp" was claimed by multiple people adept at self promotion. None of them were the originator. The irony is it's not even that clever or effective - and if there is one thing I enjoy, its irony :D

Calculus was "invented" by both Newton and Leibniz, though many today say that they just developed steps in an overall method that predated both. Significant steps, but simply steps. Being neither a mathematician or historian I'm not qualified to comment on that, I just remember the detail from a calculus class where I did not remember much of the math! (irony again :D )

I also just read and article about vaccines, which pointed out that the lightning speed of mRNA vaccine development was built on the foundations of research done in the 1960's in both England and France - again, simultaneously reaching the same conclusions independently.

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#32

Insert

John in NM

Easy. Just type a : followed by D. That gives you :D

If you're logged in the selection of smileys will be on the left of the text box you type in.

I like older forum software like this - it provides the minimum useful quantity of things like smileys (which are useful to us) and doesn't get lost in the weeds of innumerable versions of them (or heaven help us, gifs) as modern forums do.

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#33

Re: Nothing new there...

Bruce, a MN Galoot

The term "scary sharp" was coined by David Opincairne on Rec.WW in the early 1990's. He was beginning an apprenticeship as a patternmaker and described the process his mentors had used since time immemorial. It got wider distribution because of Paddy O'Deen.

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#34

My best ideas were stolen by the Ancients...

J Barrett Irby Jr

At a freight auction someone bought a pallet of green tape. I saw them struggling to load it and gave them a hand. Commented I would like to have a roll or two but have no use for a whole pallet. They gave me five rolls for helping them. I have used up most of it and wish I had more. If you like tape that actually sticks to stuff, this is the type to have. Got to look at it and see exactly what it is.

I'm trying to remember, years ago did research on colors, Women like red (?), men like green(?), everybody likes blue.

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#35

Re: Nothing new there...

John in NM

I was in Mexico in the early 90's, no internet for me then.

First I recall of the term's use was someone or another in FWW promoting it. I tried it once because I had the paper on hand already and was less than impressed with the results. Without a doubt that gave me a negative impression of the name and hype as well, so I've not read extensively about it and may well be mistaken that the credit was "borrowed".

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#36

Re: Too much Blue tape

Paul Leuba

No one can hijack credit for the high quality your work, and that is much more important than the background chatter over who is responsible for first performing some technique that provides, perhaps, marginally useful advantage.

It seems that there is good reason why techniques to perform ubiquitous tasks can not be patented.

Paul in Hunt Valley, MD

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#37

Re: Too much Blue tape

Jack Dover

Can confirm. I have read about blue tape on your site long before I've seen it anywhere else (or knew who you are, the page was in my "great woodworkers nobody knows about" bookmarks folder). Then these articles started to pop off, so I assumed a search engine finally got to index your website. Much to my surprise, no attribution was found in those articles, which, I think, why I despise a little some of well known writers. Now it's all over forums, blogs, and every other YT diva "reveals a secret" weekly.

Not that it relevant, but neither 140-trick not blue tape actually worked for me. I don't care about a shallow rabbet, there are better methods, but it'd be nice to make tape work. Personally, most of my mistakes are because I don't see - either I can't see through dense physical bodies or just because I missed markings, anything that adds visibility and tactile feedback really sparks my interest. I think tape didn't work because it was blue, so I bought a roll of yellow.

J/k, I bough a roll of thick automotive masking tape, it just happens to be yellow. Just eyeing it looks like x3 thicker than regular 3M masking tape. It's sticky, maybe too sticky even.

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#38

Demonstration of GTMSLE method 

Bill Tindall, E.Tn.

Recall I recently divulged the The Green Tape Method of Scribe Line Enhancement, GTMSLE. No sooner than I came up with this idea it was brought painfully to my attention that green tape cost 3X blue tape. This fact was clearly a set back to my marketing, although temporary.

By using 1/3 as much green tape I was able to overcome the cost penalty, as demonstrated in the example below.


As a bonus you can see how attractively it goes with the green of the poplar.

PS. when buying blue tape, get 3M. what ever the crap is I got at Lowes tears across the tape getting it off the roll. That might be ok for tapering scribe lines but no so hot for straight ones.

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#39

One word...

John in NM

Sharpie

:D :D :D

What ya do is, start out with the regular beige tape and the Sharpie, then once consumer demand catches up with your marketing, green tape will have come down in price due to increased supply....

Just don't tell the customers about the Sharpie :D

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#40

Re: Too much Blue tape

AZ in Colorado Springs

There are a lot of "reader's tips" across several woodworking magazines that copy techniques the craftsmen and women have recommended here. And many tips that I've seen published in prior years. I, too, am fed up by that.

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#41

Re: Demonstration of GTMSLE method

Brad Chenoweth

:D

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#42

Re: Demonstration of GTMSLE method

Jason Roehl

One reason tape will tear diagonally without warning is due to abuse. Having run many miles of tape as a painter, if I grabbed an older roll that had bounced around in my van for a while, the first couple wraps of it were inevitably unusable due to tiny dents or nicks in the edge that would precipitate a premature tear.

Moral of the story: buy tape from a neat stack off the shelf, not from a bunch tossed willy-nilly in a bin.

Jason

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#43

Re: I know where you got it...

AZ in Colorado Springs

The green tape is for rough surfaces? Then use the green tape when marking out dovetails in timber framing construction.

Save the blue stuff for more refined furniture building.

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#44

Hmmmmm....

John in NM

I hadn't thought of that, it might not fit well into Bill's marketing strategy if the blue is for the finer work! :D :D :D

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