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Worth Another Look - Long

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Worth Another Look - Long

Dale Bonertz

After researching many lathes, I finally settled on purchasing the Vicmarc VL300. I received my lathe in mid September and I have rough turn and cored around 60 blocks in the 14” to 20” size range. In addition, I have been able to finish turn a few bowls. Following is my review of the lathe.

The first thing I noticed was the thick cast iron bed which will dampen vibration. The mass of the machine was well balanced and easy to move and set in the location where I wanted it in my shop. The adjustable legs made setting the lathe to my height a breeze. When I leveled the lathe it was so close that I bolted it to the floor and then put two shoe box pieces of cardboard between the lathe bed and the base in the back, one in the middle and a few pieces of paper under the head stock, all on the operator side of the lathe. This leveled the lathe front to back and across the ways.

I purchased the short outboard extension with supports underneath the bed extension. This came on the lathe and is very sturdy. After setting the lathe, I checked the alignment of the tail stock on both the inboard and outboard side of the lathe and they were both dead on with the spindle. The tapered bearings in the head stock allows Vicmarc to make the head stock in an ergonomic, rigid and compact design. This allows for ease of working around it on either the inboard or outboard side and yet is very solid. In addition, I can remount the bed extension on the inboard side if I ever need a super long bed for a spindle.

When I turned the main start switch on it was so quite I thought it wasn’t running. I had to look at the RPM readout box to know it was on. I then ran it forward/reverse and at different speeds and was amazed how quite it runs.

There were four concerns folks repetitively brought up during my research so I want to address them individually:

1) “I’ll always be hitting the stop bar” This is something that takes about two bowls to get used to. The bar is located in such a manner that you almost have to be wanting to hit this safety bar to stop the lathe. You can lean on the lathe because it has part of the frame over the stop bar. You will learn to love this feature when turning. I have to use the high side of my knee to use the bar which is very convenient.

2) “I will be hitting the wrong buttons for forward and reverse on the remote box when turning on the opposite side of the lathe” You will figure out really quick that if you use the remote box in the same orientation on both the inboard and outboard side that the forward and reverse switch sequence is the same. I use the box where the wire going into the box is always on the same side of the lathe. So no matter if I am using the inboard side or outboard side the forward button is in the lower right corner and the reverse button is in the upper left corner (I don’t pay much attention to what it says on the switch I pay attention to the box direction). The only things that change with this method are the speed dial and the stop button but they are both so different than the forward/reverse buttons that it is fool proof to use them.

3) “Chucks will unscrew from the other side of the lathe when I turn the lathe on” The mating surface of the spindle face is so precision by Vicmarc that without torqueing down on the chuck I have not had one spin off yet. I usually always have a chuck on both sides since I use both sides back and forth all the time. I don’t need to stop take the piece off, take the fixture off, put another fixture on remount the piece and repeat, I can go back and forth with the bed on both sides of the head stock. I also can utilize the longer bed on the inboard and shorter bed on the outboard and yet maintain the stability of a fixed head lathe. This is faster and more stable than sliding the headstock around like so many lathes yet maintaining all the conveniences of the sliding headstock lathe.

4) “Outboard bed not being sturdy and vibrating” I ordered my lathe and requested from Christian and Vicmarc to add a support under the outboard bed to alleviate this potential problem. They were very accommodating and made one for me in the factory. This support is the ticket. I originally thought I would use the outboard side to rough the exterior of blanks and core on the inboard side. The outboard bed is so sturdy that I rough the exterior on the inboard side and core on the outboard side. When finish turning I will turn the outside of a bowl on the inboard side and then put the bowl in the chuck on the outboard side to finish turn and sand the inside. Then mount the blank back on the inboard side and turn the bottom and sand the outside. So convenient and quick having the two sides set up and ready to use. If I want to use the vacuum chuck, simply unscrew the chuck on the outboard side screw in the Vicmarc vacuum adapter and mount the bowl.

In closing I purchased an extra banjo, tailstock and two swing away so I could have two lathes in one. The cost of the lathe and extras was competitive with any American or foreign made lathe in this class. All of the concerns expressed to me were duly noted however they all proved to be nothing more than folks not having experience on the lathe to see that the concerns are not concerns at all. Working with Woodworkers Emporium and Vicmarc has been hassle free and a true delight. The VL300 lathe is worth another look if you are considering a lathe in this class.


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Dave Paine

I am not expecting to ever need to move into a lathe of this class. I read this post just for interest. I know the time it takes to write a thoughtful post like this.

I love the picture and appreciate why you have such a big smile of pleasure. I did have to look hard to find the shavings though. :D

Thanks for posting.

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Brad Vietje

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Brad Vietje

Thanks, Dale, nice review. I am not at all surprised -- I thought hard about buying the VL-300 and I was impressed with their equipment & support. Eventually, my desire to invest in a business changed my budget, so I opted to spend less on a Powermatic 3520B. I've never heard anything bad about Vicmarc lathes or chucks, except people overtaxing the little VL-100.

Great machine, and glad you are a happy camper.

Safe spinning,

Brad Vietje

Newbury, VT

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#4

Dale, it appears that you now need ........

JamieDonaldson

...to add a Bobcat to your tool inventory to remove the shavings! ;) Good luck enjoying your new lathe! :D

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Keith Tompkins

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Keith Tompkins

Nice lathe, and goo review Dale! I have heard concerns about cracked castings after bolting the lathe to the floor....

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barry rockwell

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Barry Rockwell

Great post Dale. Some years ago I upgraded to a VL300CS longbed, which is the model marketed by Craft Supplies. It's never been as quiet as you describe but it has been a great lathe and I've never regretted the move for a minute. It's perfectly level end to end, and front to back, and has been bolted to the shop floor for over 4 years with no sign if cracks or other issues. I love my Vicmarc!

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Re: Dale, it appears that you now need ........

Dale Bonertz

Thanks All,

Jamie I wish my shop was big enough for a skid loader. I have to use my 30 gallon garbage can on wheels to load the chicken farmers trailer. He took the picture.

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Dale Bonertz

Thanks Keith,

I have read where folks get concerned with castings cracking but i have never heard of it actually happening. A friend of mine has had his VL300 bolted to floor for nearly 25 years with no issues. He has roughed out around 30,000 bowls on his over those years. Vicmarc actually has in their manual to bolt it and explain what to do if you can't.

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Dale Bonertz

Barry,

That is what I sold to buy this one, a craft supplies version and a long bed. This Australian model is quitter than my old one. I suppose as you use any machine they may become a little louder.

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Ellis Walentine

Worth an article

Ellis Walentine

Dale, I hope you don't mind if I upload your post as an article in our Articles & Reviews department. Thanks for the thoughtful and helpful dissertation. I might hit you up for a few extra details when I get around to editing this for publication.

Ellis

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Quality

Geoff Whaling

is quality in any mans language. Dale I'm glad you took the plunge and had the conviction to go with your own judgement.

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Ric Taylor

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Ric Taylor

Dale, that's a great photo but I'm a little confused about what I'm seeing from this angle. Is it possible to post another photo that is taken from the side?

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Here you are Ric

Dale Bonertz

Sorry not sure why it is not opening. The link seems to work though.


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david

I got a 3-hp VL300 short bed from Craft Supplies about 5-7 years ago, so I do not have any issues with the stop bar across the bottom of the bed. The quiet after seeing another club member's lathe was one of the key factors that made me decide on the Vicmarc. I still have trouble hearing the motor switch on after all these years, and shutting off especially since the motor does not stop for a while sometimes when switched off. I have had a few pieces spin off the spindle threads when sanding in the reverse direction, so I have to remind myself to re-tighten the chuck before switching to reverse mode. Getting this lathe was one of the best decisions I made in turning.

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That would be fine