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New Vase - Critique & Motivation

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New Vase - Critique & Motivation

Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>Here is a new vase that I finished tonight. I am not sure that I like it, but my wife does, so it is going to her new office.

Data: 9" diameter, 10.5" tall, walls 1/4", Oil/Poly finish. Yellowheart, Bloodwood, and Maple (w/ dyed black veneer).

I tend toward the Southwestern shapes - probably a result of growing up around it in Arizona. The bottom 3/4 of this is pure SW pottery shape, and I like it very much. I like the design ring, nice bright color contrast without being outlandish.

I have been playing with turning vases lately. But, I am unsure about the neck and rim on this one. They seem too big for the rest of the vase - it (maybe) overpowers the rest of the vase. It might have been a better overall piece, if I had gone completely SW in shape and left the top off (like the retouched second photo), maybe with just a Bloodwood rim.

The base is small on purpose - hoping to give some lift to the round shape. Wally tells me that some SW Pottery like this actually has a round bottom, and were placed in a ring to remain upright. I have another vessel in the works, that is pure experimentation, and I am going to try the round bottom.

Mark

P.S. IMHO, this is probably the best photo I have take of my work, mostly as a result of completing my photo booth (thanks to all who helped, especially John Lucas). Comments on the photo are also welcomed.


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Peter Teubel

>The heck with your piece....I want to see your photo booth! ;)

Actually, I really do like that piece (and I am not a segmented fan). Excellent shape and the contrasting colors really look great.

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Fred L. - North Carolina

>Beautiful vase, Mark! I sure don't blame your wife for taking it.

And for the photo, yes, it is very nice and clear with good background. Good setup does help!

Fred

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Keith Tompkins

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Keith Tompkins

>Mark, this is ,by far, the nicest piece you have posted. I think the neck appears to be too tall, but the shape doesn't detract at all. A splendid job!

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Fred Deadrick--Livermore, CA

>Mark, I really like the design, a very nice clean feature ring, and a very nice overall shape. I personally like the two additional rings in the neck, but, perhaps as Keith said, the neck could be slightly narrower. I do like the flared top however.

J-F Escoulen, the noted French turner, made a comment that the size of the base should be the same as the opening at the top for good design (in this case I would think that the rule would apply to the size of the opening on the top, not the size of the flared opening.

Fred

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Mata Ortiz SW Pot..

Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>Mark, I like this piece very much. Your seg. work gets better and better. I'll agree that the neck might be a little bit much. Her's a pic of a Mata Ortiz pot, my favorite of the SW Indian pottery. As you can see, it has a round bottom.

Wally


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GeeSeaWhy

>Hi Mark,

I think there is something slightly "wrong" about the transition between the body and the neck. In the yellowheart ring immediately below the neck decoration, the curves don't seem to flow smoothly. Maybe if the line from the body were extended further up and in, with a tighter transition into the neck?

Overall a very nice piece, and certainly better executed than any of the segmented work I've attempted so far.

Graeme

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RonZ

>I happen to like this very much. It is an outstanding piece. I like the shape, it's pleasing to the eye and similar to pottery found here in Israel.

What changes would I make next time? I'm a symetrical kind of guy so either I would repeat the design that's in the middle at the neck. If you went for a bloowood top, then to me it would need a bloodwood base.

Keep up the excellent work.

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Gary Bills

>Great photo!!! I like the vase a lot. I think instead of a smaller top I would like it with a larger bottom. Could we see a picture of your photo booth?

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Terry Quiram

>Mark

I like everything about it except the seperation line on the very bottom.

Terry

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#11

Not too shabby!

Dominic Greco in Richboro PA

>Mark,

I'm pretty impressed with the overall design myself! But if I were to change anything, it would be the position of the ring around the neck. It's just a bit too far up close to the neck. Maybe center it?

I like the rounded bottom of the vase. I think it defines it nicely.

BTW, did you use Lamination Pro to develop the second generation laminations?

Since everyone is asking, what's the photo booth look like? I'm still very unhappy with my set up. Mostly due to poor lighting and the lack of a good photo "background". Did you spray paint the roll up shade black, fading to grey? What kind of spray paint did you use?

See ya,

Dominic

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Chuck Hargenrader

>Very nice job! Woderful form. Nice picture as well. For sure a SW touch.

Chuck in Maine

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Ron Sardo in PA

>This is an outstanding piece Mark.

I love the contrast of the wood colors and I think the shape is wonderful.

If you want my critique, here goes. I agree there is something (minor) about the neck. My first thought was maybe the transition from the bowl to the neck (third segment from top) is a liitle off. But as I thought about it more I was wondering if the neck was a liitle shorter by removing the third segment and make the first segment shorter and round, almost like a bead . . .

The truth of it all is, your vase is allot better than I've done (so far)

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Jennifer@Indy.USA

>Hi Mark,

This is a beautiful piece. I love it! I think the form is lovely and the contrasts in it are wonderful. The neck is fine.....I know after you, yourself look at it and critique for as long as you probably have things start appearing out of proportion sometimes, but I really think you've done very well with all of that here. It's beautiful.

Jennifer

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George Troy Hurlburt

>Mighty fine job Mark. I think as with any turned form what you get is what you get at the time you do it. If we had others doing our designing for us we never would get out of the gate. You have your plan now and you can repeat as you like with subtle changes in curve and wood.GT

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Re: Mata Ortiz SW Pot..

George Troy Hurlburt

>Wally thanks for the photo. You are showing what I want to do in Segmented turning. That is making the bowl and doing what is pictured by airbrushing or painting. The wood is just a means to the end. I have no desire to start my chain saw after 15 years.

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John Lucas

>Mark

Good job both on the piece and the photo. Just to fine tune it a little I would move the right hand light up a hair but you have to be careful because the hot spot can get objectionalble. Putting it in the light area like you did worked well. If you put a little more diffusion between the right hand light and the panel it will soften this hot spot. I have a 12"x 12" cardboard and cloth panel that I hand about a foot in front of the light.

The balance between the two lights works well. Ideally it should appear as though it's lit with one light and I think you've achieved that.

I would play with camera position. On hollow vessels I like to be high enough to just barely see in the lip. This tells the viewer it's hollow. Sometimes getting this high doesn't show off the form as well so you have to play a balancing act.

Keep up the good work.

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Wayne Allen (Carson City, Nevada)

>Great work Mark !!

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Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>John,

Thanks for the help, the advice and the compliments.

I wish I could take credit for putting the hot spot in the light area, but that was just chance - but I will try to take such things into consideration in the future, as I will your other suggestions.

Mark

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Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>Thanks for all the good comments and the compliments.

I will try to post a picture of photo booth for those that requested.

Mark

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JamieDonaldson

>Mark - I suggest that you back up from the piece and use the longer focal lengthes of the zoom to reduce the barrel distortion. This is an optical distortion especially visible with wide angle lenses. Notice how it looks like "the fat lady?" I guess now I'm in trouble!!

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Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>Thanks Jamie - I saw your message on WOW, but had not gotten a chance to respond yet. I understand what you are saying, but I not sure that I see it - but yes, I did use the Wide setting on the Digital Camera.

Thanks for the tip.

Mark

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JamieDonaldson

>I posted 2 views on WOW site of a SW Indian pot using the WA and tele focal lengths to show the difference.

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Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>Thanks for all the help Jamie. I used your advice when photographing the Cherry and Black Palm one last night.

Mark

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