Selling an LN LA Jack *LINK*

Re: Selling an LN LA Jack

Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>Thanks for the advert Lloyd!

Yup, everyone jump on and bid! (And the ethical thing to do, is to make sure I get lots of dough, right?! [Tongue firmly in cheek])

I thought....

Todd Hughes

>that there was a "Rule" against posting links to a live on going Ebay auction , eh?....Todd

Re: Selling an LN LA Jack

Lloyd Robins

>I wish that I had the "jack" or scratch, er money to join in the fun. Good luck!

Re: I thought....

Lloyd Robins

>Todd, if there is, I sincerely apologize. I just thought that it was an interesting auction considering all the discussion that has been going on.

Re: I thought....

Mike L

>I think that's a rule on The Porch but not necessarily a rule on The Island.

Cheers,

Mike

Re: I thought....

Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>Well, I'm certainly not going to be the one to complain! *chuckle*

(But dang it, it hasn't brought in any bids yet!)

Cheers,

Greg

Re: I thought....

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>That was a BP rule; but not here (I was severely reprimanded when I suggested otherwise). Of course, if someone starts posting notices about OWW's tools on ebay, we might have to change the lack of rule. :)

Pam

Re: in my opinion

Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>It is more polite to not post an ongoing auction. I recall specifically a 605 body that I had marked to replace one I have with cracked cheek. It was a very bad looking plane, and was posted here as a joke. But the reality is it was a decent body, just needed stripping and re-jappanning; the hange hole drilled in the heel detracted from it a little, so I figured I'd get it for less than $20. It ended up selling for over $35 after being posted on here as a joke.

I think

Jim in Burlington Ontario

>That there's a rule against posting anything that's connected to you. Like the fella's selling tools and magazines posting links to their sites. Personally I have posted several items on e-bay that I have never seen before for identification purposes never thought it was causing any harm.

Re: Selling an LN LA Jack

steve knight

>I very much doubt you will get a deal on it. usualy LN tools go for pretty close to over retail.

Re: I thought....

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>No, there is not a rule against it here on Wood Central, and there is no reason for such a rule.

My personal opinion is that the ebay postings are out there for all to see, and there is no reason we should not be able to discuss these open auctions right out here in the open, as well.

I figure it just levels the playing field. Really no worse than lowballing an ignorant old widder woman :^) Kind of makes up for sniping, which I think is so ungentlemanly (or unlaydlike, as the case ay be) that I don't participate in auctions that allow the practice.

Re: I thought....

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>Todd, my comment on the widder was tongue-in-cheek. IMHO, you didn't do anything wrong on that one.

Re: I thought....

Gary Bingham

>No, there is not a rule against it here on Wood Central, and there is no reason for such a rule.

Personally, I think that there should be a rule against it. In fact, one of the main reasons I came to this forum is that I got tired of weeding through all of the for sale/ebay threads being posted in the hand tool section at another forum. I was hoping that wouldn't be an issue over here.

There's a classified forum, why not just post them there? Isn't that a more appropriate forum than the hand tools forum? If everyone posted a link to an ebay auction in the hand tool section whenever they thought it was a good deal, it would be overrun with auction links. I currently have about 25 ebay items that I'm watching, should I just go ahead and post them all here? I'm sure they would probably be of interest to some people here.

My personal opinion is that the ebay postings are out there for all to see, and there is no reason we should not be able to discuss these open auctions right out here in the open, as well.

So, if I'm selling something, does that mean I should post it in the hand tools so everyone should see it, even if they don't want to? Because if I want to see what LN planes are available on ebay, I'll go to ebay and search for Lie Nielsen, not head to the hand tools forum at woodcentral.

I recently sold a ln164 on ebay. Should I have posted a link to it in the hand tools section so everyone could see it? Or does it somehow make it wrong because it's mine? If I do post an auction of mine, but say that it's not mine, how do know? If it's wrong because it's mine, I think that's a fine line that could easily be avoided by simply making people either post them in the classifieds, or not post them at all. Allowing ebay links is just asking for sellers to come posting links to their auctions.

Good For you Greg!!!

Dan Clermont in Burnaby

>I know you've wanted the Veritas LA Jack for awhile and I had been followign your auction quietly to see where it ended up (I already have the LN and like it so I wasn't going to bid anyhow)

I hope it all works out for you.

Merry Christmas,

Dan Clermont

There is a difference

Dan Donaldson

>Once in awhile, someone will put up a post about something interesting that they saw on e-bay. If someone were to start putting every sale thay had on the boards, that would violate the no commercial posts rule. What Sir William is saying is that there is not rule about posting something interesting, or asking a question about an e-bay sale. That said, except for something that has some unique interest, or the poster has a specific question about, most consider it bad form to link to sales that are in progress. There is no "rule", but the boards are fairly well self policing, and the main "rule" is common courtesy. Anyone that tries to bend things too much will soon know that they are doing something they should not. (With no flames or personal attacks). That is what makes WC special for me.

Re: I thought....

William Duffield, on the Cohansey

>No, you're not allowed to do that, because that would be advertizing something in which you have a financial interest. Shilling, although much more difficult to prove, is also not allowed.

OTOH, discussing the merits and demerits of something that someone else offers for sale, whether on-line, in a catalog, in a walk-in store, in a want-ad, a flea market, garage sale or auction, is a lot of what on-line forums are about. I see no reason to make special restrictions because the seller is using eBay.

Re: There is a difference *LINK*

Gary Bingham

>I guess you could say there's a difference, albeit a small one. I don't particularly see what's so interesting about a ln62 though. Especially considering that it probably won't go for much less than retail. I could perhaps understand if it were something like the one below (not mine btw).

Now, I don't know much about infill's, but I imagine that a plane like that is a pretty rare find, especially with a box. Certainly that would be more worthy of a thread than a common ln plane that you could probably buy from ftj for about what it'll end up going for on ebay. But where do you draw the line?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&cate

Re: I thought....

Gary Bingham

>No, you're not allowed to do that, because that would be advertizing something in which you have a financial interest.

Fine, I'll just say it isn't mine. Then there's nothing wrong with it, since you don't know that it really is mine.

I have aspirations of one day making planes and trying to sell them on ebay. I'll be sure to come here and post using another identity about "these interesting planes from a new planemaker. I don't know who makes them, but they look nice. What does everyone else think about them?" I imagine that would probably drive up the prices a little.

I'm joking with the above scenario, as I would never do it, but how would you know that it wasn't happening? Simple, you wouldn't. So, I get free advertising thanks to the lax rules at woodcentral. Thanks woodcentral.

Re: I thought....

Larry Clinton - Frankfort, Indiana

>Gary, I totally disagree with your statements. First, I have been reading & posting on WC long before the "pond" was closed. One of the reasons I was a regular on WC instead of the pond was the lack of censorship. Ellis has been very, very sucessful with this site. He does trust people to use common courtesy and sense. This site is the largest (as I read somewhere) woodworking site on the internet. I completely agree with the way Ellis runs the site. It is somewhat amusing at times, always educating, and at least to me, is an enjoyable site that allows people to meet without one person deciding what will be communicated. I think you will find that if someone uses the site to promote their own items or agenda, it would be self defeating. Most of the people on this site are pretty intelligent and someone would see through the deception. When found out, and the deception exposed, the deceiver would probably find they couldn't sell a quarter for a nickel to any woodworker on this site.

Re: I thought....

Gary Bingham

>Oh I completely agree with not censoring posts. I just think there is a place for fs/ebay threads, and it's not the hand tool forum. There is a classified section. In my opinion, that is a much more appropriate place for it. At least then the people that would be seeing it would actually be looking to buy something.

In my opinion, the posting of for sale/ebay items in a forum devoted to the discussion of hand tools is akin to telemarketing calls or someone walking up to you on the street trying to sell you something. Especially if the links are framed as a "Selling something-something" thread. I go to ww'ing hand tool forums for the discussion of hand tools, not to be bombarded with offers for me to buy something. (thread title "Selling an LN LA Jack"... sure looks like an offer to me)

There was one time a couple of months ago at another ww'ing forum where there were 15 for sale threads out of the first 60 threads in the hand tools forum. Even though there was a forum explicitly for selling items. Could you imagine if 1 out of every 4th phone call you received was a telemarketing call trying to sell you crap? Or if 1 out of every 4th person you met on the street tried to sell you something? In my mind, it's very much the same thing, and is a pet peeve of mine. I could just not click on the threads, right? Then it wouldn't matter. Except that some of the threads looked to be legit topics, then ended up being a for sale thread.

While a situation like that very well might not happen over here, who's to say it won't. Certainly there is an opportunity for it to happen here. Over at the other ww'ing forum I speak of, there's even a message stating "As always, if you have tools to sell, please use the Tool Swap and Sell forum." But it clearly doesn't do any good. Considering that something like that can happen at a place with a message like that, one has to wonder what might potentially happen at a place that almost encourages the posting of ebay links.

By the way, regardless of how smart the users are on this forum, it would be very easy for someone to link there own items in this forum in order to generate more hits. Considering how apparently lax the protocol for posting ebay links is, it could very easily be done and no one would be the wiser. i.e. in the situation I presented above, all I would have to do is post a thread every few months (using a new identity) with a similar topic, and it would just be free advertising at, as you say, "the largest woodworking site on the internet." And considering how common reposting of similar topics are on internet forums, people would just write it up as "oh, it's just a beginner asking the same question that was asked a few months ago." Free advertising at the largest ww'ing site on the internet... can't beat that.

Anyways, I like this forum a lot so far. In addition to be a great source of information, people here seem to be very level headed, and open to discussion in a mature manner. The only reason that I even posted in this thread is that the issue was brought up and it's a pet peeve of mine that's been bugging me for a while. I'm not doing this as an intentional attack at Lloyd. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, and once this thread runs its course I won't make mention of the issue again unless someone else happens to bring up the topic again.

Sorry for the long-winded post.

Re: There is a difference

Greg Sloop, Portland Oregon

>Can I pipe in here... (I know the item IS mine, but I didn't start this thread, and never would have...)

I think the reason many think it's interesting is that LN seems to be once of the nicest Stanley reproductions around.

Many, including some of my friends are rather suprised that I'd ditch a LN in favor of a LV. "They're so ugly" one said. etc.

That I'd be willing to ditch mine for lots less than I paid for it to get a LV I think some find crazy and others find interesting.

There has been loads of discussion on LABU (low angle bevel up) vs. BD (bevel down) bench planes that has gone on here, including heated threads I've been involved with.

So, when someone sells a LABU plane, and it's a LN no less, and buys another LABU from LV it is "news" that I expect the origonal poster felt was worthy of a post here.

As for a rule, I expect most a no-post rule so the items they are bidding on as a buyer don't get bid up. (Cheap bastards!) Or, perhaps they feel this isn't a classified section, and posting your items as a seller just seems, well, unseemly.

Anyway, even with my interest in the item, I believe I do see the parent posters point in posting about it. In short, not withstanding your comments, it's not a "sale" thread. It's a commentary on a sale - not promoting or demeaning said sale.

Lastly, should sales threads start to overwhelm the board, I'm sure the public opinion will rise to "smack down" the posters and it will quickly abate to a reasonable level.

Cheers,

Greg

Re: There is a difference *LINK*

Gary Bingham

>I think the reason many think it's interesting is that LN seems to be once of the nicest Stanley reproductions around.

So does that mean that anytime a LN is posted on ebay, it's okay for someone to post a link to it? Man, I sure wish someone would have found

mine interesting enough to have posted a link to it. Seriously though, I just don't think a ln low angle is all that interesting. In fact, had someone posted a link to mine in a forum, I'd thought they were nuts. Heck, I thought the guy that bought mine was nuts. Hmmm, $206.50 for a one year old used plane or $215 for a new one from ftj.... which would I choose. He might not know of ftj though.

In short, not withstanding your comments, it's not a "sale" thread. It's a commentary on a sale - not promoting or demeaning said sale.

Really?

"Selling an LN LA Jack *LINK*"

"It seems like a chance to save a little on the LN if it is your preference."

Save money by buying it here. Sure sounds like a promotion to me. A great way to have had it been a "commentary on a sale" would have been to wait until the "sale" was actually over. Then there would be no risk of "promoting or demeaning said sale."

Of course, that's just my opinion, and I'm clearly in the minority with my opinion. So I relent. By all means, everyone post any ebay links that you may find interesting. That way everyone gets to see it. I'll start (again, not mine):


Is it a moose?

Re: I thought....

Lloyd Robins

>Gary, as I said, I am sorry if I have upset you or anyone else. I respect this site too much to want to cause problems. I posted this simply because there have been several comments on the LV LA and the LN LA planes that I have been on this site. I personally found it very interesting that someone was selling the LN plane to purchase a different one, and I thought that others might also. Anyway, I hope that you have a Happy Holiday Season, and I will stay away from posting in the future.

Re: I thought....

Gary Bingham

>Lloyd, as I said, I never meant anything as a direct attack at you. Again, it's a pet peeve, that's been irritating me at another forum for a while. I don't really expect anything to change over there, so I've been spending less time there. Consider it months of pent up aggrivation coming out over here.

I also occasionally go to another forum, but I think they are too strict, by not allowing anyone to post any links to any other ww'ing sites, which I think is stupid. So I came here hoping it would be different. I just didn't expect to see an ebay thread in my first week here.

Anyways, feel free to continue posting any way you choose. I'm the new person here, who obviously is on an island by himself with his opinion. As I said, I relent. I never really expected the whole board to change their opinion, I was just expressing mine. Again, the only reason I posted in this thread in the first place was because the point was already raised. So, blame Todd, it's all his fault. :D

Happy Holidays.