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Lie-Nielson Chisels, yes they are that good!!

#1

Lie-Nielson Chisels, yes they are that good!!

Duncan S. Robertson

>I have very recently taken delivery of my Lie Neilson Chisels and I have to share the expierence with you. As a woodworker I have spent the last 25 years doing woodworking as a hobby then as a profession and now, for the last few years, as a hobby again.About a year ago I started getting into high end hand tools and enjoying the expierence of a 1/2 thou shaving coming out of a #8 jointer plane. I took a 1 week hand tool course and was exposed to the Lie Nielson level of quality. I never understood what level of perfection was actually possible with hand tools until that point. I had been your typical sand , sand, and sand some more until I thought I had a surface ready to finish kind of woodworker. When I heard that LN was coming out with chisels in the same kind of quality as the rest of their tools, I started lusting after a set. A couple of weeks ago my set finally got here. They arrived in a very classy leather tool roll that will keep them un-dinged in any moving around I might do in the future. The overall fit and finish is amazing! All 5 arrived perfecly flat. My total prep time for all 5 chisels to polish the back and put a microbevel on the front was under 1/2 hour. I won't even go into how long one of my Marples Blue Chip chisels or Sandvik Chisels took to almost get the back flat. I am currently building a classic tool box. The entire carcass was built with hand cut dovetails. After trying a number of times to actually get one of my chisels sharp enough to not crush the pine that the tool box is made of, I gave up and used my scroll saw to cut out the base of the pins and tails. I am now making the base for the tool box and it also is being made from pine. I can't even begin to tell you how wide the grin on my face was when the LN chisels cut through the pine without any crushing whatsoever. If you use cherry or maple, you can get away with an average chisel. It won't be really pretty but it will work. If you try any of the really soft woods, and your chisels are not as sharp as the LN chisels, forget it!!! The set of 5 ran me $250.00US dollars. So what! The superb quality and ease of use with these chisels is unable to be fully apreciated or understood until you use them. Also, the length of time they hold an edge is a quantum leap from any of my other chisels. After I had honed the 3/4" chisel, I put a piece of hard maple in my bench vise and promply started paring off end grain shavings that I could see through. The surface left behind after removing the shaving is flawless. I have other LN tools, saws,planes,etc... And without fail I start to grin each time I use any of them. If your purpose in woodworking is to enjoy yourself then call Thomas (or if you are Canadian,call Rob Cossman )and get some LN tools in your shop. And no, I don't work for Lie-Nielson.

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#2

A Pre-Summary of Responses

Todd Stock

>Just to save some steam for other threads, I've taken the liberty to pre-summarize the responses...

(New Tool Geeks) Where can I order them...can't find on website

(Momentarily Satiated New Tool Geek) Here's the link... http://www.lie-nielsen.com/chisel.html

(Lifetime 'Tools from Maine' Fan) Duh!

(New Tool Guru/Reviewer) The unobtainium alloy chisel from (insert any non-North American country) has been awarded my highest rating...buy with confidence at far less that $250/set

(Old Tool Geeks) $50 for a chisel???

(Old Tool Geeks from Maine) $50 for a chisel??? I can buy better chisels at $3 (the box) and I've got the (insert name of old chisel manufacturer) to prove it!.

(Old Tool Geeks from Midwest States): $50 for a freakin chisel?!? That's a car payment out this way!

(Japanese Tool Geeks) Why so cheap?

Think I covered it...

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#3

Good list, Todd!

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

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#4

spoilsport!

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

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#5

Re: A Pre-Summary of Responses

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>You missed a few... hehehe

Since it's too early in the morning for me to summarize the rest, I'll add in just a few...

There's:

"Sounds like you are biased towards LN"

or the inverse

"Sounds like you have a personal grudge against (insert tool maker here)"

"I never had any problems with X"

"You don't need LN tools to do good work"

"Why did you return $1500 of LV tools?" oh wait that's for a different threads..

and the last one I can think of until I get some coffee:

"You used sandpaper in your woodworking? HOW DARE YOU EVEN POST HERE!"

heheheheh...

:)

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Re: A Pre-Summary of Responses

Todd Stock

>Not spitting coffee, but darned close.

Story of my school days...A for effort, C for completeness (and spelling...)

Sorry for spoiling the fun, but Dad's Day should be spent with the kid(s) anyway, right?

My daughter is angling to get the side table to go with her bed, and Mom wants the kitchen island finished...so no tools, but two excellent camp shirts and (surprise) three ties!

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Andy Sexson

>What kind of mallet/hammer/pounding device do you use with your new chisels?

Currently I have a set of Maples Blue Chips and I use one of those japanese barrel shaped hammers, but I'm worried that a steel hammer would tear those nice hornbeam handles up...(I'm getting ready to order a set)

Maybe one of those brass Drake chisel hammers would be more appropriate...

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#8

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Tim of San Leandro

>In Tom's write up on the website....he states the chisel handles were tested witha 16 oz framing hammer. He does NOT recommend that be your chisel hammer...but they ought to withstand the pounding from a steel hammer without problems. Also....he also states that the optional rosewood handles are not as tough as the stock handle.

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#9

A question about the course you took...

Lyn J. Mangiameli

>You describe a lot of experience, so it is interesting (at least to me) to know what sort of course you chose to supplement your existing skills, and what was your experience with the course. It sounds like it may have also influenced your evaluation of the hand tools you are using, and I wonder if you can relay any tips you picked up on discerning differences in tools, selecting the optimal tool, and how they effect your woodworking.

TIA

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Manny

>Don't worry about the hornbeam, it's virtually indestructible. In an email correspondence with TLN, he sorta told me to show no mercy and try and break the handle. So, I'm using about a 20 oz Japanese hammer and I also tried the #4 Glenn Drake. I'm using the chisel to make mortises, so the hammering can get pretty violent. There are hammer marks and the end has flattened, but no cracks, crumbling, etc.


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Ed Snow

>Not to rain on your parade but the crushing and tearing of wood fibers when chopping is not a function of sharpness nor chisel quality. It is a result of a too obtuse bevel and/or too much force when chopping and not enough removal.

Glad you like your chisels.

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Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>Try a round wooden mallet, or buy the newer style mallet with a plastic head, Woodcraft sells them, and I think Lee Valley does also.

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#14

Re: A Pre-Summary of Responses

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>awwww...

*sniff*

I tried!

;)

and yes Father's day should be spent with your children...and not thinking about the termite problem one might have

:(

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#15

Missed one....

Todd Hughes

>OK the LN chisels are better then cheap to midlin quality modern chisels, Big Surprise ! but how do they compare to older classic chisels like Witherby, Swanns or original Stanley 750's they Ape which are very easy to find at cheaper prices?...In my experance many people who are all a ga-ga over LN tools are comparing them to cheap poorly finished modern tools or if they have experance with older vintage tools it is those that are in bad or worn condition......Todd

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Tom Colligan, Peoria

>Ed, what is the degree of grind/honing bevel you recommend for N.A. hardwoods? Tia,

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#17

Maybe a little low but about my average.

Ed Snow

>Typically, I try to do a 30 degree microbevel for hardwoods and a twenty five for softwoods.

This is for chopping dovetails and paring only.

Typically, I ony pare a dovetail as I cut out the waste with a fret saw, I am so anal about them I hate to see the center tear out of the space between pins and tails. But on halfpins I have to chop and this is what I use.

Note this is a 1/4" marple one of my beater series, for high end work I use my ashley iles which have almost no vertical on the bevel.


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Re: Maybe a little low but about my average.

Martin from Granbury

>Ed,

I am interested in what specific blade brand, size, and number of teeth per inch you use in your fret saw. I tried to use a fret saw to clean out the waste on some dovetails, but I think I got blades that were too thin (I thought thinner would be better), and they kept braking after only a couple strokes.

If you could provide a source that would be great, too.

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#19

Re: Coping Saw?

Todd Stock

>Unless you are using a pull saw with very narrow kerf, a coping saw blade (think I use a 24 tpi) will stand up to most waste removal tasks better than a fret saw.

That said, if you use a dozuki, you're pretty much stuck with the fret saw, as a coping blade is about .025-.030 or so.

I've used a fret saw before for dovetail waste removal, where thin blade was the only thing that would fit a dozuki kerf (back in Japanese tool phase...late 80's I think). I broke enough blades to realize that maybe that inelegant, ultra-wide kerf of my push style saws had some benefits after all.

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#20

Re: Maybe a little low but about my average.

Rusty Miller

>Martin,

I just got one of the small adjustable fret saws from Garrett Wade. I comes with some 20tpi blades but I ordered some 14tpi blades also. The 14tpi blades seem to work well. Tryed it out in some oak and worked fine.

The nice small, thin blades are easy to turn at the start of the cut. Just make sure you are moving the saw when you make the turn. Also, put the blade in to cut on the pull stroke.

Hope this helps.

Rusty-Tye, TX

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#21

Re: Think I Got It Now...

Todd Stock

>Todd:

Sorry I inadvertantly grouped you with the old tool folk from the Pine Tree State (or is it the Black Fly/A-Yah It's A Cold'un, Huh! State...I get confused sometimes)...

>(Old Tool Geeks from Maine) $50 for a chisel??? I can buy better chisels at $3 (the box) and I've got the (insert name of old chisel manufacturer) to prove it!.

How about this?

> >(Old Tool Geeks from Locals Not Otherwise Specifically Listed) $50 for a chisel??? My sainted grandpa used to throw away better chisels than anything you can buy these days! My rare-but-ever-so-minty Stanley #2-1/4 Medium Bottle Opener holds a better edge than those overpriced prybars from Maine...(rant continues)

I hope everyone else took the post in jest just as you did - thanks!

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#22

I disagree.

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

>A totally dull chisel will crush and tear the fibers, rather than slice them. Try it. Don't have a dull chisel? Take a sharp chisel, go to your grinder, and grind off the sharp edge. Take off enough metal so that you have a 1/16-inch strip at right angles to the back of the chisel. The picture of dullness. Try to chop a dovetail.

Heck, forget about the chisel. Use a screwdriver.

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#23

Re: as per Kirby...

paul womack

>That said, if you use a dozuki, you're pretty much stuck with the fret saw, as a coping blade is about .025-.030 or so.

You can use a (nice strong, fast) coping saw with any DT saw you like, if you use the "inverted Y" technique (*) I prefer this technique even if my waste blade will fit the DT kerf.

BugBear

(*) OK - if you're making "London" dovetails, this isn't true :-)

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#24

Re: as per Kirby...

Todd Stock

>Paul:

Good point - same technique as bandsawing tails, but with a coping saw. Don't recall why I never made the connection years ago...

Todd

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#25

Chisel handle pampering

Andy Sexson

>Looks like I have nothing to worry about....I got an email back fron LN today -- 4-6 weeks for delivery. I can't wait!!!

Thanks for the responses and piece of mind.

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