Ebay Fraud

Nope....

Todd Hughes

>A seller that leaves a positve feed back befor the buyer leaves one for him is an idiot. The deal is NOT over as soon as the seller is paid and just because the buyer pays it doesn't mean things could not go wrong and the buyer will not give the seller trouble.For example I once sold some brass and wood book binding tools, sort of like dull chisels.They were Mint never used condition.Sell pretty high, guy pays, everything fine I thought and by mistake i leave him positive feedback first.I wake up and see he left me a Neutral because he said he didn't think they were pacakaged good enough,[I wraped in newspaper].Now they arrived to him in perfect condition but he said he thought they "COULD" have been damaged.These were not glass ware but tools that could have been droped out of an airplane into his back yard with out damage.I was penalised not for what I did or what happened but what could have happened, Hell he could have not paid me, eh? I for sure think i was done wrong and you can better believe he would never have left that bad feedback if I hadn't alreadly left him a positive and he knew he had me over a barrel....Personaly i think the buyer was pissed because I sold some other simular tools after he bought his and they went for less and he thought he over paid....If you think about it how can a seller tell that the deal went smoothly till the buyer leaves him a positive saying that he as a buyer is happy? If you as a seller leave positive right after being paid you open your self up to all kinds of abuse,heck the buyer could threaten you with a negative if you didn't refund his money on a lost package he didn't want to insure, somthing he wanted to return after he ground on it, or send it back because he found a cheaper item else where all things that I as a seller have had buyers try to do after they paid and were only prevented because of the threat of negative feed back from me....I have over 3,900 positive feed back now with just 4 negatives and really don't care if I get another but still I don't want to be taken advantage of either....Todd

Re: Ebay Fraud (Ebay Question)

Mike-in-Michigan(Richland, that is)

>Actually PayPal is owned by Ebay now ... as of last fall..

Re: Ebay Fraud (Ebay Question)

Don Thompson, Cutler Ridge, South of Miami FL

>I am aware of that, but one can have a PayPal account without being registered with eBay, and can make purchases not associated with eBay, such as from Knight-Toolworks. I find it handy, YMMV.

Re: Nope....

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>OK, then, Todd, I understand why the seller wants the buyer to go first, always did; but how about the seller who has an automated response to positive feedback including only words like "perfect, excellent"? He tried to dictate my response. And yes, I understand he's trying to save time as well as protect his rating. But this way there's no leverage a buyer has. Where are the buyer's protections against shoddy and/or broken goods? Badly represented goods? The seller is asking the buyer to put himself in a poor position. After thinking a lot about this, the only way to mend the system of retaliatory negatives is to mark the transaction as it proceeds. The buyer is the customer.

And yes, sometimes the seller is going to be burned by an unreasonable buyer, that's why there are responses allowed to feedback; and in your situtation, I'm sure that people can look at your ratings and think that only 4 out of 3900 is pretty damn good.

Pam

It's like the penguins at the water's edge...

Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>Somebody has to go first! There is no easy answer for this dilemma.

My business life has sheltered me from dealing commercially with the general public, but I've sure seen enough to know that there is usually three sides to the story. The vendor's, the consumer's and the truth.

Re: It's like the penguins at the water's edge...

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Well, I don't believe in a single truth, it's always a point of view situation; but I do think the reintroduction of shame will go a long way to redressing some of the problems of a world run amok with cynicism. And if a small group of us can start behaving accordingly, we may form a tipping group. The only way I could see this happening on ebay was to treat each part of the transaction as it occurred. As an honorable buyer, I expect sellers to NOT take a caveat emptor attitude, I expect the item to be described as correctly as they know how. When I buy an item, I've really done my part of the transaction, and should be graded accordingly. Assuming the item is sent promptly, with no excessive handling fees, and is as described, the seller gets a good rating. If not, we negotiate, honorably and with honesty.

Pam

penguins who wait to see if the cheerful optimist

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>...lives or is eaten by a sea lion are the ones who pass on their good genes.




/jvs, relatively cheerful, and agreeing with pam.

Re: penguins who wait to see if the cheerful optim

William Duffield on the Cohansey

>Nope, it doesn't work that way. The penguins pick one of the flock they dislike, and they push him in :^) Pam's right. You can't spend your life worrying about dealing with the worst things about the worst people. If you do, people will decide you have a bad attitude and someone might ask you to go check for sea lions.

Re: penguins who wait to see if the cheerful optim

Mark Harrison -- in Sydney, Australia

>I'm not disagreeing with anyone here. Just an observation that debating who goes first is ultimately a dead end. Well, unless eBay develops a feedback escrow :-) Remember, you heard the idea here first!!!!!

By the way, sea lions are pussy cats by comparison to Leopard Seals!!!