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Advice on spending my bonus on a plane?

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Advice on spending my bonus on a plane?

Jim Campbell

>I've got a bonus coming, and am thinking of investing it in a new plane. Question is which one?

I'm pretty set with bench planes and block planes (mix of Stanley, LN, LV) and a Steve Knight smoother. (Of course, it's always a slippery slope...)

I'm considering a LN #9 Miter. Got to thinking about it when doing some "desktop woodworking" at work, surfing woodworking sites and I came across a photo on a web site (don't have link) where someone had taken an incredibly beautiful shaving using a #9 and a shooting board - wide, even, translucent and perfect.

Did some more searching in the archives here and found comments about it not having any lateral adjustment. What's the advantage over just using something like a LN #5? (Which I have) Easier to set mouth? Mass? Should be just as square in the body. Does the blade take fiddling to set it square?

I'd happily take any other advice on "investing" - I could also be talked into a LN 4.5, LN 164, LN 62, LN 7.5, or LV Low angle smoother.

Thanks,

Jim

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Jim in Burlington Ont.

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Jim in Burlington Ontario

>LV low angle smoother is always handy.

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#3

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William R. Duffield, on the Cohansey

>I don't see much advantage to a dedicated miter plane. Any Bailey or Bedrock from a #5 on up should work fine, as long as the sides are square to the sole. That of course is an issue you don't have to worry about with LNs or L-Vs, since their quality control is tight and they would immediately replace one that was out of specs.

It seems like you have plenty of bench planes and now need to start looking a bit further afield for new functionality to support new woodworking skills. It's hard to tell where to send you. You have to ask yourself what you want to build, and how you want to build it. Where are you currently most uncomfortable with your power tools?

There are several directions in which you might want to proceed, so I will offer some suggestions, in order of priority:

If you are doing joinery by hand, a shoulder plane is essential. Look at the Lee Valley medium shoulder plane, or the L-N. Both are more than competent, and both have adjustable mouths. I cannot imagine doing joinery without one of these (or a Stanley #93, if you can find one within specs and not too expensive).

If you need a shoulder plane, then you probably are considering stile/rail/raised panel construction. Next on the list is a panel raiser (one of the scarier processes done with a router). A #10 1/2, or a pair of #140s will help you do this, but an old wooden badger plane might suit. There are lots of different tool sets that will get this job done, and if you want to make tombstone panels, no plane will get you all the way there.

If you want to do decorative work with your hand tools, then you need to consider beads, flutes and reeds. A #66, or a homemade scratch beader will get you started. Alternately, you might want to consider an old set of wooden hollows and rounds and a selection of side bead planes.

A router (e.g., #71) is also useful, especially for hinge mortises and inlays.

If you do panels, dados, and grooves with hand tools, sometimes the slot is too narrow and the panel is already finished. A #98 and #99 will mostly sit in your toolbox, like a good insurance policy. A good alternative, if you like old tools, is the Stanley #79.

You have no idea just how far down the slippery slope you have slid, much less how far you have to go before you reach the event horizon.

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Got jointer?

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>LV6, LN6 to 8, C&W trying plane (22-24ish), or C&W jointer (28-30). Wiley

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There IS an event horizon?

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>I always kind of thought this slippery slope was more or less infinite.

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Steve Kubien

Event horizon?

Steve Kubien

>William,

Are speaking of an "event horizon" as an article of fact or merely rumour and legend told to young woodworkers so they stay up late into the night plotting how to smuggle their next purchase past SWMBO'd, until they reach said horizon?

Just curious. I'm still very much in the plotting stages.

Steve Kubien

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Dan Donaldson

>It is definately not a rumor;-) I am not sure, but I believe that the Schwartzchild radius for tools is one of the largest known. You can sure feel them pulling at you;-) You can circle and circle, but you will never escape.

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What a delemma eh?

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>Jim,

The possibilites are endless. Got a scrub plane yet? I mean a real scrub and not a modified jack. If you feel real splurgy I'd go for the LN, but a vintage one works just as well and is much $$$ less. Probably pick one up cheap off of e-bay.

How about a comination plane such as a 45, 46, or 50?

Perhaps something from Knight Toolworks?

How much disposable dinero we talking, that'll help us help you spending it. ;~)

Todd O.

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Great advice! I can see I need to give more input

Jim Campbell

>Errr - first the disclaimer - during the boom boom days of the bubble, I had some disposable income and slid Way Way down the slippery slope. The rationalization was that I would never buy anything I couldn't use. That said - I've never actually cut a dado with my 39.

I get lots of pleasure out of just owning nice hand tools, and I also get lots of pleasure out of using them on my projects. 50/50.

Since then, the bubble has burst, disposable income has retracted and the slope has stabilized.

I'm now focusing on using more than collecting, and I'm actually getting ready to sell some (the #2 and #8) that I'll never use. (I'd consider using the 8 except that it took so damn long to lap the #7 flat, I can't face doing it again on the #8).

So yes, I've got a #7 jointer, a Stanley scrub, both the LV shoulder and a #93, #212, #20, #66 and #71 and more I won't admit to here. Most everything I've got came from first from Patrick Leach, and then from eBay.

Xmas 2002 I got a LN #5, and that really lit up my lights - it's *so* much better than my Stanley #5, even with the Hock blade. Since I have no driving urge for any remaining older collectible, now I'm leaning toward the newer LV and LN planes as users.

Enough about me - any more suggestions? $350 is the budget.

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Steve Kubien

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Steve Kubien

>You could have a bunch of fun building on of the Shepherd kits. Check the link below. The mitre is in your price range as is the Spiers smoother.

Wish I had your problem!

Steve Kubien


Shepherd Tool Price List

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Re: Event horizon?

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>You make that sound so believable. Chris must be awfully proud.

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Sir William of the Cohansey

>There is an almost overwhelming body of evidence that an event horizon exists. However, no galoot has fallen through and ever escaped to let the rest of us know what is on the other side. According to the cosmologists, were the collector and his tools to fall through the event horizon into the black hole, he would not feel the boundary. The universe that you would be able sense would, however, become much smaller and more violent. Upon approaching the gravitational singularity at the center of the black hole, your very being, and that of your tools, would be torn asunder. You don't want to go there.

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Sir William of the Cohansey

>Boy, yo' in a heap o' trouble.

Before you give up on the #8, you might consider learning how to scrape it flat, referencing a granite surface plate, or maybe take it to a competent machine shop. How far out of flat is it? There are some advantages to a #8, beyond getting your collection to critical density faster. These include match jointing thick stock, and flattening the tops of large benches. The larger your bench, the sooner you reach the event horizon.

An alternative, somewhere on the outer limits of practicality: Sell your #8 and/or your finely tuned #7 and take the proceeds and your cookie jar and buy an L-N #7.

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paul womack

>I'd go for a shooting/mitre plane. At your budget you're exactly able to afford either a LN #9 orthe Shepard kit.

I have no doubt that either tools would make end grain shooting an reliable and enoyable procedure.

As a bonus you get to think design and build a shooting board.

Of course the Shepard will take more budget (tools to build the kit) and more of your time.

You may consider this a benefit or drawback, strictly according to viewpoint.

BugBear (who normally shoots with a humble #6)

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Steve Kubien

Re: Event horizon?

Steve Kubien

>Gee, that sounds grim. I think I'll stick to plotting.

:)

Steve Kubien

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Ernie Miller Topeka

>Next event horizon? first I learn theat the sloap tapers off to a shallow roll and now I hear somthing about a horizon that has to do with the total 100 sq ft of bench top surface. so where does this horizon lie 1000 sq ft 2000? 8000? Next thing you know some one will mention one doing somthing with layout tools. life is turning up side down. Event horizons Fiction pure fiction told to old men started by smart wives don't beleave a word of it. the future of life as you know will be effected.

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David Linnabary

>Hmmmm, I'd say its time for a heavy smoother kit from Shepherd Tool. Say an A6 with it's higher bedding angle, it might fit that functional niche in your arsenal.

Or possibly specialty planes like the 45 and 55. I can only imagine how long it would take to get thoroughly familar with either. Plus the sharpening issues of molding irons should keep you busy for a while.

David

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R.J.Whelan

>Jim ... for years I used a #6 with my shooting boards. About three years ago I splurged on a LN mitre plane and it has become a favorite - can't think of the last piece I build where I didn't use this plane.

The lack of lateral adjustment has caused not a moments trouble for me ... rj

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Errr (blush) I "forgot" to mention

Jim Campbell

>Those boom boom years (weren't the 90's grand?) also brought a Norris A5. Between that and the Knight smoother I got off ebay last fall, my smoother needs are taken.

Side note - I just love how both those tools are so good at what they do - the older one being the pinnacle of technology at the time, and the newer one being the output of a single craftsman working with simple wood.

I'm really leaning toward the LN #9.

Thanks!

Jim

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Why not use the bonus for a bonus? The #9 is beautiful, does its intended job, according to people here, and would reward you with something not exactly necessary, but useful and what you clearly want.

With your planes in hand, I think I'd be looking for a great saw, probably a hand made Yataiki, and/or a couple or three spiffy paring chisels.

Pam

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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Of course, that's only one theory, inferred but not proven. It may also be that you enter an alternate universe, in which mint Stanley 164s and 52/53s can be purchased at any garage sale for $1 each, and "rust hunters" are considered seriously sexy celebrities.

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I don't think so, since the definition of an event horizon is:

the surface of a black hole : the boundary of a black hole at which the escape velocity equals the speed of light and beyond which nothing can escape from within it

Maybe if physics is wrong about black holes and/or strings.

Pam

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Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>Much depends, though, on how many bad science fiction movies you watch...

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Well now...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>Seems like you have quite the user arsonel there. I love my LN9 it's a real knuckle saver (I use to use a No. 5). It doesn't get used all that much, but it's a blessing when I use it. That said, here are some others to think about:

A low angle smoother (LN62 or 64)

Record 043, 044 050 all great and usefull planes

Stanley 45 or Record 405 great combo planes

Stanley 46 Great skewed combo plane

Or how about truly fine and special planes like the Stanley 289 swek or a 72 chamfer plane

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justin ball

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