Lie-Nielsen planes

Re: Lie-Nielsen planes

Moses Yoder in White Pigeon, MI

>I would be pretty suspicious of a discount Lie-Nielson plane; it was probably stolen. I'm not sure how they make and sell those planes so cheap. I did find one thing, however; the one tool dealer, I forget his name but he is at a lot of the wood shows, collects tools and is kind of a sucker for nice old tools. I was able to trade a Stanley #40 ivory rule that I had bought for $110 for the L-N rabbeting block plane, so that was $40 off the list price; a pretty good deal I thought, and the cheapest I have ever seen that plane bought anywhere ;)

Here *LINK*

Ted Owen, Pittsburgh

>You have to put one in your shopping cart to see the discount pricing, approximately 10% off.

LN also provides a 10% discount on volume purchases--8 planes, I think.

Best, Ted


http://www.thebestthings.com/newtools/lie-nielsen.htm

Re: Lie-Nielsen planes *LINK*

John Weber - GO BUCKS!

>Howard,

Fine Tool Journal has about the best price and free shipping.

John


http://www.finetoolj.com/lnorder.html

Yes they do...

Christopher Fitch @ Memphis

>I just bought a 60 1/2R from them...

10% off and free UPS shipping is very nice especially on heave like planes.

(mini-rant) In contrast, buy something that might weigh 5 oz from Woodcraft and get charged $8.99 to have it shipped via the Postal Service!(End mini-rant)

Woodcraft 15% off bag sale

Russell Seaton

>Don't know if there is a Woodcraft store near you or if your Woodcraft store is doing the same promotion, but my local Woodcraft is ahving a 15% off sale this coming Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Non power tools only. Has to sort of fit inside a regular paper bag. My Woodcraft will order anything for you at the 15% off if they do not have it in stock as long as you pay for it first. Woodcraft carries most if not all of the Lie Nielsen planes. I am pretty sure they would all qualify for the 15% discount. After figuring the 15% off retail and the local sales tax, it works out to a better price than you can get anywhere else, including the Fine Tool Journal. Haven't decided if I really need the low angle jack plane or the 66 beader plane yet. I have until next Sunday to decide.

Heres one *LINK*

Robin Frierson

>This place and the Fine Tool Journal are the cheapest:


http://www.thebestthings.com/newtools/lie-nielsen.htm

Re: Lie-Nielsen planes

Rob Cosman

>Howard if you like the tools support the man behind them and buy from Lie-Nielsen.

Rob

Re: Yes they do... I agree

Rick - in Jackson,TN

>I bought my 601/2R from them as well as my new LN dovetail saw my wife got me for Christmas (mini-gloat). Free shipping and no tax hard to beat. Chris, you and I need to hook-up sometime, I didn't know there was another hand tool user on this side of the state. Rick

Well Said, Rob

Greg Phillips, Medford, OR

>The lowest price isn't always the best. Why not put your money in the pocket of the company that is bringing these fine tools to market. More profit for LN means that they can develop more products and pay their employees better wages. Better paid employees are happy employees, which makes for a better product and better customer service. In the end, we all win.

There is a big fuss here in the Rogue Valley right now because Wal-Mart wants to build two new supercenters. All of the little guys are crying about their inability to compete. In a few years, everyone will be complaining about cruddy merchandise, manufacturing jobs that are shipped overseas, and part-time minimum wage jobs with no benefits. Why? Because we have shopped ourselves into a corner, always looking for the very lowest price. Our collective desire to save a couple of dollars has had a sad impact on American industry. End of rant...

This is just my way of saying that the lowest price is not always the best.

Regards,

Greg

Re: Well Said, Rob

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Hey, while you might consider Woodcraft big guys, they're relatively little potatoes in the corporate world. And Fine Tools Journal is miniscule. So this isn't a big vs small. And does Rob want everyone in Canada to buy directly from LN, too? I just don't see the issue here.

Now, on Wal-Mart, arguably the most evil corporate entity out there, maybe some competition from MS and Monsanto, best of luck. Be sure and check out the last couple of "Now with Bill Moyers" segments on how they behave.

Pam

Re: Well Said, PAM

Rick - in Jackson,TN

>..I don't have a direct link to Old Tools Journa, so I don;t know there pirchasing proceedures, ..but I can bet L-N just does't GIVE the tools to them, or Woodcraft, or anyone else who carries the L-N Tools. Now I paid $113 for the L-N Dovetail saw from FTJ, no tax, no shipping. The same saw at Woodcraft (Franklin,TN) is $139, with TN sales tax at 9.75%, you can see I saved a buck or too. If OTJ can sell it for $113, kinda makes you think just how much mark up there is on those tools. Just my 2 cents..or twenty-five ;-) Rick

Re: I wish...

Rick - in Jackson,TN

>...I would learn to PREVIEW before posting, I really can spell better than that ....

Rob, I don't understand

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>How does Tom lose money if we buy his tools from places other than directly from him?

Seems to me that Tom makes them, than sells them to companies such as Fine Tool Journal, The Best Things etc, etc. Upon selling dosen't he immediately make his profit?

Todd O.

Re: Rob, I don't understand

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>Actually, Tom may collect the money in advance, when the vendor orders/buys.

Pam

Re: Lie-Nielsen planes

Doug Reynolds

>I don't have many Lie-Nielsen tools (22 or 27 last count). Except for the first one or two I buy from Tom himself (actually Jennifer usually answers the phone). I decided to buy this way because I want Tom to get all the money for his tools not just a percentage from the dealer. Why, I want him staying in business, developing new tools and saving me from rust hunting...another axis of evil addiction.

Re: Lie-Nielsen planes

Todd O. Cronkhite Native of Maine

>Doug,

A agree whole-heartedly with you,but I still don't understand how tom loses money if his tools are bought from sources other than directly from him.

As Pam suggest, perhaps he collects a percentage of the money from the vendor, but does he not collect the rest upon sale?

Todd O.

Re: Rob, I don't understand

John Truxell-Svenson (jvs)

>I remember reading something attributed to Ron Hock (glaring neon disclaimers should be obvious here... ) about direct v. reseller and how a manufacturer viewed it, and it was reported (see previous) that the response was that it was a wash. Direct sales were higher margin, but distributer sales encouraged a wider distribution, more exposure, more resellers, etc. "Hot" merchandise would be the exception, but I would think that any purchase from any legitimate source would be a win for the source company.




/jvs

Re: Lie-Nielsen planes

William R. Duffield, on the Cohansey

>The RIGHT way to do it is to go to a WoodWorks show, wear your WC hat and T-shirt, try out the L-N tools you are interested in, rub shoulders with Thomas and his morethanhelpful, morethanknowledgable staff, and in the process rub shoulders with the likes of Groucho, Toshio, Frank Klaus, Joel, Michael Dredsner, Chris Schwartz, Harrelson Stanley, Bill Hylton, and other notorious toolmongers and purveyors of sawdust, and order the tools you want directly, with the Show Discount, free shipping, and maybe no sales tax (depending on reciprocities), direct from Warren, ME. You buy it on Saturday, they'll probably ship on Monday or Tuesday. (In Canada, go rub shoulders with Rob.)

When are people going to learn what it is they are really paying for along with the lowest price? If some parasite is coming to WC because they think it's most important function is to help them get them the cheapest possible price on tools and advise, with the least effort on their part, I suggest they should go suck somewhere else.

Theoretical economics

Bill Houghton, Sebastopol, CA

>The cost of an object is composed of multiple parts, including the cost of selling it. Perhaps the LN prices are higher than those you can find at other locations because the cost of the LN sales and shipping staff (including the cost of the space in which they work, utilities and so on) is factored in, and that cost is higher than the similar costs of the various other merchandisers who sell them. This may be a product of volume or of the advertising costs being distributed over a larger variety of products, not necessarily because LN is making less on the sale.

It may also be that those merchandisers are accepting a lower return on the sale than is LN -- the only one who can answer that is Tom Lie-Nielson (sp?) himself.

When I buy parts for my Volvo, I rarely buy them from the dealer, but, at one of the parts houses from which I buy them, they come in packages with the Volvo logo on them as often as not -- implying that the supplier is buying them from Volvo somewhere and is then able to sell them for less than the dealer does. How? Probably volume, possibly markup. I don't know.

One other thing....

Wiley Horne--Glendora CA

>There's another thing that you're getting when you buy directly from Thomas Lie-Nielsen that is worth mentioning. The Lie Nielsen view is that you're buying an investment grade tool--a tool for life--and he means for you to be happy with it. Buy with confidence, and if there's any problem--or if there's no problem, you just changed your mind--the staff will make you happy. And if you want to talk with the boss to tell him about your great tool idea, or ask for some customization or other, he is one email or one telephone number away. This is another reason why the first cost of the tool is not the main thing. Wiley

Thank You...

Matt -- Los Angeles

>William--Wiley,

I couldn't agree more with both of your posts. I so enjoy the privilage of actually being able to buy a tool directly from the maker. Where else in life do you get that kind of opportunity?

Tom is more than a stand up guy and I dare say I might even pay a little more to buy from him personally. No one knows the tool better and, as was stated, his staff is most interested in customer satisfaction.

Please -- why WOULDN'T you want to buy from him. I've been to the shop a few times and Tom has never hesitated to answer questions, demonstrate tips or even engrave a signature. Prince of a guy and a great company....Oh and by the way... the product is first rate...

What more could you want?

Matt -- Los Angeles

Re: Lie-Nielsen planes

Frank Mutchler

>Rant ON

Boy, Howard, (are you still there?) I bet you weren't expecting your simple inquiry to generate some of the rather sharp responses you've received! I, for one, would encourage you to visit The Best Things and speak with Lee Richmond or his wife for probably the best deal on a LN plane. (Usual disclaimers)

For goodnes sake, buy the plane from whomever you desire and make some curleys! Whatever the business model is, it is obvious that LN is operating at a profit, reinvesting the profit in the business, and offering new products.

It is not unusual for a large (don't ask me what large means) company to refuse to sell direct because they view it as being in competition with their various distribution channels. It is also not unusual for smaller (see above) companies to seek to maximize their profit by selling direct as well as through distribution channels. Both models must make a profit to succeed.

I certainly hope you are not getting the impression that unless you purchase your LN from its parent company you are undercutting an American ICON! It seems that everyone has a set of subjective standards that guide them in their purchasing decisions...too many to enumerate. The bottom line is that we all live with the consequences of our individual, personal, daily decisions.

I think it is a mistake to form this into a one size fits all issue. One's own conscience is the final arbiter of their decision. I do become irritated when anyone desires to become an arbiter elegantiarum (look it up here and make PC pronouncements....whether it concerns proper speech or proper purchasing.

Rant OFF

Re: Rob, I don't understand

Fred Krow

>Normally the manufacturer will give retail stores net 30 days for payment unless they have a very poor credit rating (COD in that case).

Direct retail sales by the manuf. is unusual however, the hand tool market is very small and several other arrangements exist similar to LN.

Regards,

Fred

Correct link. *LINK*

Andrew F in Australia

>Translation for frank, as original link didn't work.

Cheers,

Andrew

Who has too many planes.


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