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OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

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Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

#101

Well said...

John in NM

That these OT discussions are very active, yet mostly polite and informed tells me that they are useful and interesting. We get to see a range of viewpoints, held by people we know at least a little from our common interest in woodworking. Exposure to other points of view broadens our own if we let it.

Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

#102

Re: Will post

William Duffield

I mentioned the possibility of vandalism above. Of course, I hope it never happens. After reading your new description of the project's history, I realize that the unjustly irate landowners would be much more likely perps than any actual users of the trail.

I found these benches on the Internet. They might provide some useful ideas for you. If I were building something like that, I would also chamfer the vertical edges on the ends of the oak timber. I'm guessing they chose red oak because black locust is not readily available in upstate NY.

https://www.finegardening.com/article/a-bench-built-for-a-lifetime

http://www.brianhigley.com/work/beacon-park/index.html

Your local bike shop should be a long term active supporter of the trail and a source of contacts for future volunteers and donations. Treat them well. (I'm sure you already know that.) If you have promotional brochures, make sure they get a continuous supply for their checkout counter.

A GIS database describing the trail's coordinates would also be of promotional value. You would probably want to provide a link to it in your brochure. So far, I've found GIS data of the parking areas at the trailheads, but not of the trail itself.

Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

#103

FDA says no to widespread boost

David Weaver

..I understand the groups better now, I think. FDA took Pfizer's plan and had the chance to say yes or no (but to the actual Pfizer plan, which was to freely offer the boost to everyone - age 16+).

What I didn't read was what the FDA's obligation was - and from a summary article today, their obligation was to see if Pfizer made a case for the need for the vaccine, not that pfizer could just prove that it would have some effect or be safe. Pfizer didn't clearly demonstrate a need for their particular plan.

If you are older, all is not lost - the CDC will determine in the near future who gets the booster above and beyond the at-risk group already receiving it (a betting man would suspect they would offer it for the j&j and pfizer vax for older individuals - but they could defer, too).

Some of you guys may be upset with me, but I am pleased, because this shows the government at work being deliberate and appropriate - they're solving the problem rather than just spraying adjacent properties with a big hose. And the people who benefit from a booster will still be determined to be eligible at some point (all the while, we as a country can continue to collect data to see if effectiveness is waning).

Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

#104

Re: FDA says no to widespread boost

Wiley Horne

They’re listening to you David!

FDA’s second act of the afternoon was to approve booster for 65 and up, plus immune-compromised (of some degree).

https://eresearch.fidelity.com/eresearch/evaluate/news/basicNewsStory.jhtml?symbols=PFE&storyid=202109171647DOWJONESREALTIME006290

Wiley

Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

#105

Alternate link to FDA actions

Wiley Horne

In case the link above doesn’t work:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/09/17/fda-panel-pfizer-covid-19-boosters-americans-over-65/8367055002/

Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

#106

A good conclusion!!

David Weaver

I wasn't aware that the FDA was going to make a second ruling when I made my post and thought that would be deferred to the CDC, but I saw the update when I came home last night and thought it made good sense.

I am glad that the FDA pointed out Pfizer's lack of effort in coming forward with limited data, and though I think the israel data is a good proxy for likelihood for us, the FDA thought there was a higher standard. Israel introduced the booster first to 60+, observed and is now extending it downward.

Ultimately, that seems like the way things should go (and they have had the vaccine in service longer on average and over a larger cohort than we have). One wonders if part of the issue with their efficacy goes beyond just waning vaccine, and the fact that they have to pass a virus that is used to working its way around a higher cohort of vaccinated folks. We'll see. But we have time to see because our problem (load wise) is primarily unvaccinated.

A seemingly good compromise so far. I'm sure the CDC is collecting rate data on the other part of the data puzzle that we're not seeing (Those who have had previous covid), but I understand with 40% of the adult population unvaccinated why they aren't gung ho to share it.

Re: OT - the Delta and Booster Thing

#107

Unfortunately....

John in NM

I didn't take pictures while working on it and we're almost done, been finishing off the last details over this weekend. Its been quite a challenge this time, even though its about the 5th one I've done with this roofing system. Probably age as much as anything else.

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