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The slider

Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

It is interesting to me that few here discuss tablesaws, and even fewer mention sliders.

I have had a Hammer K3 Winner with one of the shorter wagons (1250mm) for a few years now. I do not work with sheet goods, only hard wood, so this "short stroke" is ideal for the furniture I build.


Many assume that these sliders are designed for crosscuts, as in the picture above, but they are even better for ripping.

I recently added a parallel guide to the wagon ...


Those familiar with sliders probably know of the Fritz & Franz jig (watzat? That's for another time). Well, this parallel guide is a F&F on steroids :)

My current project is a underbench cabinet. Finally, I get to build something for the workshop.

The tool cabinet is inspired by the North Bennet Street School version. This one will have more drawers.


Mitred through dovetail case in Merbau - hard, hard wood with no give. But cheap. It will be stained to match the Jarrah drawer fronts ...



For once in my life all the corners come together straight off the saw. Mitres and all! I am amazed. (This is the fourth case like this in the past 18 months. I finally must be getting it).



No, I haven't forgotten about the slider. This is what the parallel guide on the slider can do ...

With the case done, the next step is to prepare the boards for the drawer blades/frames. I have found a chunk of Jarrah, about 50mm thick and 180mm wide and about 950mm long. This needs to be sliced up into 50mm wide boards (which will be further reduced to 12mm thick drawer blades.

Place the board against the parallel guide ...


... and rip one side to 50mm ...


Now rip the second length ...



.. and the third. How safe is a slider? This is where one stands - well away from any possible kickback (which does not occur on a slider, anyway. And the hands are no where near the blade ...


How good are the saw cuts? Good enough to joint with, and not require a jointer for the edges.

Here is the board ...


Close up ...


But ...


:)

Regards from Perth

Derek

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Dave Bair

Here, sliders are small hamburgers.

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Joe shelton

Naw, man, sliders are breaking pitches that both drop and move sideways...

:)

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Dick Coers

I'm just the opposite. I think it's interesting that so many discuss sliders on the other forums. I owned a short 5' stroke Griggio when I ran my business, and have an old Minimax combination machine in my basement shop now. Really the only reason I wanted either was because of the scoring blade. What I missed the most on them is the miter gage slots in the table top. Neither of my machines had or have a super accurate way to relocated the fence after taking it off to rip. Just different approaches to woodworking.

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NickinMass

I have a Rojek slider that I bought partly because it was a bargain (the US distributor was trying out a new sales channel and I got lucky) and also for the scoring blade. I was using a lot of sheet goods at the time and the scoring blade is a nice thing. There are stops on my sliding table that set the fence perpendicular to the blade (they seem to be doing the job whenever I check), but I agree that it would be nice to have a miter slot for various jigs. The one thing I don't like is that I have to take the fence off the sliding table when I'm doing a rip cut with more than an inch or two of material to the left of the blade.

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John in NM

Just different approaches.

I worked for a shop that had a rarely used Robland combo machine. Owner bought it for quick and easy tenon cutting, but I was the only one who used it. Most of the guys had their own preferred methods, this was just another option.

Once set up correctly it was a nice machine, but it was a bit difficult to re-align if the table was out of kilter. It would have been a better choice for a shop that cut many more tenons than we did.

I also occasionally used it for large crosscuts, but these days I reach for the Festool and prefer doing it that way.

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William Duffield

Where I grew up, a slider is a kind of terrapin.

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Derek Cohen (in Perth, Australia)

I'm just the opposite. I think it's interesting that so many discuss sliders on the other forums. I owned a short 5' stroke Griggio when I ran my business, and have an old Minimax combination machine in my basement shop now. Really the only reason I wanted either was because of the scoring blade. What I missed the most on them is the miter gage slots in the table top. Neither of my machines had or have a super accurate way to relocated the fence after taking it off to rip. Just different approaches to woodworking.

Interesting comments. I imagine that we look at our sliders very differently. I visit a few fori, and SawMill Creek is the only one which where there appear to be several members with sliders. There has been a gradual, now increasing, interest in these saws over the past few years. About 4 years ago I was looking to upgrade my Taiwanese contractor saw and intended to purchase a Sawstop Professional 36". At that point I began to be aware of the advantages of a slider. I had the opportunity to examine the K3 and SS alongside one another. The SS is a great tablesaw, and I am sure I would have been happy had I purchased one. However, having the K3, I would not change.

Using a scoring blade suggests that you were working with laminates and, likely, large panels. Yes? Wanting a mitre gauge slot is beyond me. Actually, the K3 has one in the wagon, and I use that to hold a range of accessories, but that is not what you mean. Why would you want a mitre slot?

Regards from Perth

Derek

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These methods do reach receptive ears *LINK*

Jim Matthews

Mention of this and watching Izzy Swan adapt a slider to a bandsaw lead me to DIY one for my Bandsaw. I'm shocked at how quickly stock can be ripped to accurate widths, even without a Frantz (^2) jigamathang.

I use handsaws for joinery, but a bandsaw really speeds up stock prep.


Sliding table after Izzy Swan

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