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OT - Rant about PVC leather

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OT - Rant about PVC leather

Mark Goodall - ATL - tooljunkie

>It never ceases to amaze me.... the lengths that some people go to mislead people and take their money.

I know it's nothing new, but it irks me that people do it to others, and that some people don't know any better and fall to them.

My son is 9 and I see how he's getting interested in buying things and gets mislead by "false" advertising.... it reminds me of when I bought a camera for $2 from the back of a comic book when I was his age.

Yesterday, I was looking at aftermarker car seats on eBay....... the high-performance looking ones that young male drivers put in their cars to amke the cars go faster ;) I was thinking of getting a couple to go in the playroom for the kids to sit in when they are playing video games on the Xbox. Thought it would be cool.

So I'm look on eBay and two things strike me. It's amazing how sellers can advertise a pair of nice looking car seats for $150 (or even less) only to find that they charge an additional $150 for shipping. Hey, why not sell the seats for $10/each and I'll gladly pay $400 shipping.

Oh, and yes, please send me the GENUINE LEATHER RACING SEATS, because I know that leather is more desirable. Oh, what's what? At the very bottom on the listing, what does it say? MADE OF HIGH QUALITY PVC LEATHER.

Oh, come on now. Get real. I was pretty sure that "leather" by definition was the hide of an animal. What does the dictionary say?

the skin of an animal, with the hair removed, prepared for use by tanning or a similar process designed to preserve it against decay and make it pliable or supple when dry.

Well I suspect I know what's happened. All those PVC compressor lines that we installed and then ripped out of our shops...... we must have been dumping the PVC pipes out back in the fields.. and cows have been eating them.

PVC LEATHER? $175 shipping on a $89 item?

I just irks me that people continue to take advantage of people.

Happy Woodworking!

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Ernie Miller

>is that the new nagua? hide PVC leather I bet that stuff is expensive as it must be made of oil and after all leather is just a by product. I bet it is considered earth friendly as no gas poluting cows were killed to make it. You don't have to worry about some one from PITA dumping red paint on your jacket either. Ebay has rules against excessive shipping charges you can report them and they will have to justify the shipping or there adds will be pulled. reasonable handeling charges are ok but excessive handeling to bypass final value fees is not.

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Question for you Mark

Thomas Skaggs, Foothills of Mount Level

>Was that "Genuine" High Quality PVC Leather or that fake High Quality PVC Leather? ;-)

Tommy

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Re: PVC IS leather!

Al Stokka - Cambridge, Iowa

>Mark,

I thunk you knew better. PVC is made from oil, right? What makes oil? Dead dinosaurs! Dinosaurs have something (skin, scales attached to skin, or feathers attached to skin) to keep their guts from dragging in the dirt. When they die, they turn into oil. Smart humans turn oil into PVC, so PVC is leather.

Now, you could argue that oil is made from a lot of dinosaur parts in addition to the skin (like brains - very tiny portion of brains, I guess -, eyeballs, tongues, toenails, muscles, bones, etc.) and those parts don't meet the definition of leather, but that's really getting nit-picky, don't you think?

;^)Al

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Tommy, use a little class, eh

Joanne Adler in Pt. Pleasant, PA

>in haute coture, that would be "Faux" Genuine PVC Leather.

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real vs fake

GolfSteve in Calgary

>Hi Mark. I'm working on a project in China at the moment and you have no idea of how far deception can go.

We had a discussion a while ago about real vs. fake. The conversation went something like this...

Me: Is that real? It's only $5; it can't be real.

Chinese guy: Yes, it's real.

Me: No, it can't be real; look at this. It's fake.

Chinese guy: Yes, it's fake but it's real.

Me: What???

Chinese guy: Yes, it's real...but it's fake. It looks real, it behaves real, says "Brand Name" here, but it's fake. It's real but it's not real.

Me: thinking to myself "what have I got myself into trying to work in China?" Chinese logic at it's best.

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Re: real vs fake

Larry in NW Ohio

>In other words it`s real if your dumb enough to believe me when I tell you it`s real Larry

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Caveat emptor 

Lee Ohmart

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Fine Corinthian Leather

Neal in San Jose

>Did that stuff come from cows or naugas?

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Re: Fine Corinthian Leather

Dan Arrowsmith

>its new and improved leather, and can it ever be 100% real leather when it has nylon stitching?

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Devon

>> All those PVC compressor lines that we installed and then ripped out of our shops...... we must have been dumping the PVC pipes out back in the fields.. and cows have been eating them.

You just threw them out! You're supposed to skin them first! PVC hides sell for big bucks! ;-)

dcm

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famous commercial words of

SanMan

>.......ricardo montelban.....for chrysler too i do believe?

Now....where did that pesky Tattoo go with my coat?

SM

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Nauga endangered

Lee Ohmart

>I heard the Nauga was put on the endangered species list.

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Kevin Rabenaldt

>I just consider where it is from. Choose whom you business with very carefully.

Kevin

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Curmudgeon-Like behavior ;-)

mdclor

>Mark,

With all your rants lately, you are beginning to sound like another Centrallian that posts "pet peeves" on a fairly regular basis. You know who I mean!!

Are you certain that this was just your 40th birthday and not your 70th?

Seriously, what is the definition of "is"? I mean leather.

Merle

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Re: Erl

Mark Mandell - Gone Round In Jersey

>Al, Last time I checked, dinosuurs had rather little to do with the formation of petrochemicals. Dinosaurs' gardens, trees, ferns etc., sure, but the beasties themselves? Don't think so.

|;-}}}

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Careful...PETA is touchy about harming PVCs

Joe Pack

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