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Bandsaw blade -- not for resawing

wilbur

>I'm thinking about ordering a 1/2" Woodslicer for resawing. However, I'd also like to get a blade for general work.

I don't have a tablesaw, and I was hoping that I could get a bandsaw blade that would give me very clean and straight cuts in 3/4" - 2" stock (probably more on the 3/4" end of this range) and plywood. I'm not looking to use this blade for curved cuts, so it also probably will be a 1/2" or wider blade, Possibly with a higher TPI than the Woodslicer.

Maybe the Woodslicer will fill the bill for this purpose as well, but all the information and reviews I've seen on it talk only about it's resawing capability. Clean cuts are mentioned in these reviews, but I'm trying to get as close to a table saw cut as possible. I'm willing to sacrifice the speed of the cut for this purpose.

Any suggestions?

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Larry in NW Ohio

>Wilbur Just call Sullfolk Machinery, maker of the Timber Wolf, another great blade. They can help you with anything for a bandsaw. Phone# 800-234-7297 Larry in NW Ohio

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Ted Wong

>There's alot of talk on this forum about the Woodslicer and the Timberwolf blades. And quite frankly after using both types of blade I've found them to be way over rated for the price you pay.

IMHO I think you get more blade for the money with Lenox Carbon blades and if you have the money a carbide tooth Lenox blade would probably last the average woodworker a year or more. You should be able to find a Lenox dealer near you by going to their website and using the dealer locator. Otherwise I've had a mail order account with Dave Barley at Hastings Saws in Rohenert Park, CA for several years and have always had great blades welded up by him and great service.

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Doug in Denver

>I got timberwolf blades based on all the raves here and they were as huge impovement over the junk that came in my Jet saw. Then a year or two ago I was at the woodworker show and bought a couple Carter blades. Wow. They cut much smoother than the timberwolf. I have either a 1/4 or 3/8 on my saw almost all the time. I think it's 1/4. I have other blades, but I am to lazy to change. I know that it is just dumb luck that my saw is set up this way, but I can resaw to 1/32" spot on every time using just the flat surface of my fence -no need for a pivot point, so no real need to have to pay much attention - just feed it through. I have zero blade wander on my saw. I don't like to fiddle with it because I had no role in setting it up the way it is - it just came that way.

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Tom Stockton

>Hastings saws is a great company to deal with. I use the bi-metal lenox blades and really like them. They last a long time, although if I'm starting a new project with a lot of veneer resawing I will put a new one on. The regular carbon blades are nice also and Hastings does a great job at welding them. The most important thing to remember is bandsaw blades are disposable and if your having problems cutting it is usually a dull blade.

Tom

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Falberg saw Co

>I used to like *Oranges* but then, when I tried an *Apple*, I found out out that they're much easier (unless you pay extra for the *Seedless Oranges*) to eat because you don't have to peel them and they have all the seeds in the middle where you can eat around them. My buddy likes *Peaches* better because they're juicier but I don't like the fuzz and don't want to take the time to peel them either so I'm thinking of buying some *Pomegranites* so I can compare them to *Watermelons*.

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Trying to clarify

wilbur

>Thanks for the info. I'm going to try to ask my question again in a different way, as I think I might not have been clear in my first try.

What kind of blade should I use on my bandsaw to get the SMOOTHEST straight cut through 3/4" - 2" hardwood and plywood? Please provide as much detail as you can, as I need the handholding.

Something like, "Get a 1/2", 6 TPI hook blade made by MegaSlicerWolf," would be great.

Thanks, and sorry for being so dense. And Larry, calling Suffolk is on my list of things to do.

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Doug in Denver

>And your point is what?

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Falberg saw Co

>The point is you can't compare apples to apricots and get a meaningful discussion, much less a helpful answer. Such as:" Wilbur- what you're looking for is a narrow kerf, 1/2",-6TPI blade of any brand. "

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wilbur

>Regarding "narrow kerf", there is at least one company that makes a 1/2" 0.020" kerf saw blade. is this what you mean, or do you mean 0.025", which is narrow compared to 0.032"?

Also, does it matter for this purpose if you have hook teeth or regular teeth?

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Guy Kroll

>I agree,Larry this is the way to go.

Wilbur call or send for one of their catalogs. Their catalog will give a lot of information that may help you. I just received mine, it is filled with a lot of good information.

Guy

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Falberg saw Co

>Regarding "narrow kerf", there is at least one company that makes a 1/2" 0.020" kerf saw blade. is this what you mean, or do you mean 0.025", which is narrow compared to 0.032"? First of all, I can't from my own experience, comment on fine pitched, narrow blades because I never use them. My work is centered on cutting big, thick stuff. That said; 0.020" sounds more like a blade thickness dimension, not kerf . The thinnest blade I have is 0.026" and leaves a 0.064 kerf (Lennox-3/8" & 1/2", 3TPI) Just guessing here but a 0.20" -1/2" blade is going to have to leave at least a 0.025" or more kerf. The easiest way to straighten it all out would be to use your micrometer to find the blade's thickness and use a spark plug gauge to measure the kerf of your cut. I couldn't find any 1/2" blades with less than .026" thickness so I'm curious about that; but if you say so. At any rate, if you're only cutting 3/4" material the thinnest, widest, and narrowest kerf blade you find will be fine. You can "bully" your way through plywood and even burn your way through if necessary but soon as you start thinking about feed rate you'll be looking for fewer TPI and when you start to see drift you'll be looking for wider blades. Correct me if I'm wrong here but I think "thick" and "thin" relate to blade stock thickness and is measured in thousandths; "wide" and "narrow" refer to blade width and range from 1/4" to 2" (or more for mills) "Wide" and "narrow" also refer to relative kerf dimensions. I know it's a pain in the ___, but the answers you seek lie in the understanding of set angles for any blade you propose to use. Try plugging the dimensions of your blade into this formula, just once, it's easier than it looks and you'll never ever use brand names again when referring to blades. You'll find yourself comparing the set angles of various blades and talking about which set angle does what best for whatever kind of cut you're doing. You can believe me; because I never lie, and I'm always right.


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Re: Trying to clarify

Larry in NW Ohio

>Wilbur Try to understand as much information as you can. With falberg chiming in here now, we may have a lot to learn. As was with the DC`s years ago IMO there were only a couple maybe one that really new what they, or, he was talking about, because they were experimenting with them in their shops and bring up REAL numbers. We found out that the company numbers were a little less than perfect. Now we all now a lot more about them and we can compare "apples to apples" :-) So as the person from falberg may be that one person that maytry and teach us something, if we are willing to learn. But also I try to learn from experience, but still willing to learn. Larry IN NW Ohio

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wilbur

>Hey, first of all, thanks for all the information!

I did mean blade width, not kerf when referring to the 0.020" vs. 0.025" vs 0.032" issue. My bad. Olson is the company that makes the very thin 1/2" blade. You can check out page 3 of their catalog, downloadable at http://www.olsonsaw.com/downloads.html

I can see what you mean by calculating the set angle and how that affects a cut. So for my purpose, is there a set angle I should be trying to get to? How about for resawing -- should one go for a low or high set angle?

Also, how much does the shape of the sawtooth factor into this?

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Falberg saw Co

>"I can see what you mean by calculating the set angle and how that affects a cut. So for my purpose, is there a set angle I should be trying to get to? How about for resawing -- should one go for a low or high set angle?"

For 3/4" plywood cut depths you only need enough set angle to prevent spontaneous combustion from heat build-up. Two tenths of one degree would accopmplish that. If, on the other hand, you want to rip flatness through 18" of gnarly, twisted, knotty, cross-grained Ironwood you'll need at least five degrees. Between these extremes there are an infinite number of choices; and just as many variables in species, cut depth, moisture content, and operator proficiency. I found that set angles of 8 degrees work best for deep, tight, contour cuts. The trade-off is that as you get into higher set angles you get rougher finishes. I found it virtually impossible to get a baby smooth finish on an 18" deep cut but got pretty close if I went really,really slow: slower than my patience would allow and I over-fed toward the end.

Over-feeding is another subject, but let's go there, too. Take a straight stick and push it up against your blade with the saw OFF. Do it like you were feeding a workpiece into it. It's a big beam and probably wet from lying out in the snow so you'll probably jerk it pretty hard overcoming inertia. Simulate that kind of bladal assault with your stick and watch what happens to the blade (any brand). It's got to turn sideways, right? It has no other way to bend, it's flat and thin. What you'll see is exactly what happens inside your kerf when you feed stock into your saw faster than the blade can cut.. It will curve to just about the same degree as the bow you get when you're over-feeding a timber. Funny how that works, huh?

Back to the original question: how much set angle for flat rips? If you want absolutely, positively, no exceptions or excuses flat, fast, and grain-be-damned rip cuts in whatever you find lying around no matter how thick it is to cut up; go with at least 6 degrees of set angle. It'll look like a chain saw went through there but you can sand it out and you won't have to plane out 1/4" of terrain park scenery. If you can do the same thing with 3 degrees, you'll get a smoother finish (smooth-er is another relative term)

Tooth geometry?: I've had customers say the hook tooth was *pulling* the saw. Believe it or not; I've not seen it myself. (Sloping the table to let gravity feed the workpiece works great, though!) You tell me on that one. I'm still learning too.

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#16

I'd go with carbide

Rob Sandow

>Although you don't mention what kind of saw you have, or how big. The problem with making long straight and accurate cuts on a bandsaw is that thin blades tend to wander to some angle other than parallel to the fence. So you have to find this natural angle for each board and clamp a fence on at that angle. Even then it is not foolproof. On my saw, I keep a Lenox carbide Tri-Master 1" blade with 3/2 variable pitch, and 1/16" kerf. It stays parallel to the fence at all times. The cut quality is usually good enough to only require a light pass through the jointer, planer, or drum sander if resawing.

Rob

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carl

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carl

>Hi,For what it is worth i use a any brand 3tpi 1/2" blade for all my BS cuts even gentle curves,i use the BS for all pre cuts till it gets to jointer and TS,I hate to change BS blades. Carl

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wilbur

>I went to the trouble of setting up an Excel spreadsheet to play around with numbers. Interestingly, the one piece of information that is never on the bandsaw blade manufacturer's website is the kerf width of the blade. But at least I can plug numbers in and see what combinations will give me a set angle of 4 degrees, 6 degrees, or whatever.

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