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Mondat can you believe it--frost

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Mondat can you believe it--frost

OK today's question(s). If you saw a catalog featuring wood products indicating availability of 4/2, 5/2, 1/4, and 5/2, what would it be referring to? What do the numbers represent?

Bonus: Using lateral resistance (slipping) as a measurement, and all other things being the same (same wood, same grain, quality of metal, type of shank, and depth of penetration), the DIAMETER of each leg of a two legged staple must be what ratio to that of a box nail to provide equal load?

Source: Wood Handbook, U.S. Forest Products Laboratory

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4/2 for example means $4 "to" buy this board.

5/2 means $5 "to" buy that board...and so on.

1/4 means $1 "for" that board.

I've been around the lumber biz a long time....trust me. ;-)

Tom

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I could ply you with questions about this, but I won't this early.

John

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Not cost or plywood, but it does involve stacking for the first part. The 5/2 twice is not a repeat--it is as provided by the information.

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Steven Antonucci

Bonus guess: about 71%?

I figured it out as 1/2 each leg and 1/2 the area, with 1/2 the holding power per leg as my assumption.

Square root of 1/2= .71 give or take.

Steve

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Monday answers

The first question refers to wood shakes and shingles. The standard thicknesses of shingles are described as 4/2 (four shingles to 2� of butt thickness), 5/2, 1/4, (five shingles to 2 � inches of butt thickness), and 5/2 (five shingles to 2 inches of butt thickness). Note please. I had a reading error and the book had an editing error in the 5/2, 1/4, listing. The book reads ��5/2, 1/4,�� as if the shingles were packed as two different types of thicknesses and I read it that way. However, later in the chapter under the thickness of wood shingles and shakes, the book states �The standard thickness of shakes ranges from 3/8 inch to 1 � inches.� If that is true then there is no commercial size of wood shingle that is 1/4--four shingles for one inch of butt thickness. I called and then confirmed that the latest edition of the Wood Handbook used a fractional notation for the �. Chapter 5, Commercial Lumber, Page18, Shingles and Shakes

As to the staple bonus question. I was (and am) perfectly willing to settle for a ballpark 2/3. The formula is p=KD3/2 with the 3/2 notated as a power above the D (as if it were a square or cube). p is the lateral load in pounds per inch. K is a coefficient; and D is the diameter of the staple in inches. Values of the coefficient have a number of conditions like moisture, ovendry weight, and slippage at 0.015 inches, and are expressed in a table for ranges of specific gravity of three each hardwoods and softwoods. Let me just say that Steve�s answer of 71% makes much more sense than the chart of my government so he gets a big gold stickum star for his forehead. It is difficult for me to duplicate the formula and chart, but the reference is Chapter 7, Fastenings, page 6 and page 8.

Sorry for the confusion.

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