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Monday, Ramesses II 1276 B.C.

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Monday, Ramesses II 1276 B.C.

Ancient Egypt still. I�m not nor will I ever be a biblical scholar, this is a wood related trivia question. The description of the Exodus of the Jews out of Egypt includes the story of the parting of the sea (whichever sea, and by however you wish to translate �yam suph� or �yam sup� as its name) and the eventual following and subsequent destruction of the elite of Pharaoh�s army when the pursuing chariots were destroyed. It�s a terrific story and however much or little you wish to believe, there is the real possibility that if various routes of travel from ancient Egypt were followed such a chase might have precisely the consequences identified in the Old Testament where the horses were caught and the wheels fell off the chariots. The trivia question: Why would the story, over eons, retain the detail that the Egyptian pursuit was destroyed when the wheels fell off the Egyptian war chariots?

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Was it noted for being the world's first product liability lawsuit? ;-)

Tommy

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Ol' Ram'd be turning 3283 this year....

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Tom had the right idea. Product liability indeed. (From various sources:) Unlike a modern bicycle wheel, which depends upon pretensioning slender spokes to such a degree that they never go into compression�even on the side below the axle�a chariot put its spokes into compression. This can result in a stress reversal every cycle.

To prevent spokes from working in their sockets, or tenons, during cyclic loading, it is necessary to apply enough hoop tension at the rim to keep the entire assembly in radial compression. In our millennium, this has usually been accomplished by shrinking an iron rim on a wooden assembly. Chariot builders, who did not have this option, relied on the shrinking of leather. A leather rim on a wheel provided the needed tension, but was subject to wear as it came in contact with the ground. In many cases, a replaceable laced-on "tire" was put over it to protect it. (Did I mention that these were maintenance nightmares) The dependence upon dried leather, along with glued joints, created an assembly that could exist best in a dry climate. It is interesting to speculate upon how long a wheel of this kind would retain its integrity if it were soaked, and its spokes tangled with marsh plants

During the Exodus, around the 13th or 14th century B.C., crossing the Red Sea or Reed Sea compelled the pursuing Egyptians to operate in marshland. The Biblical account states that the wheels fell off the pursuing chariots. The use of dried leather and glues that were probably water-soluble might be an explanation for this.

Some of the linchpins were also made of dried leather. Getting the pins wet might very well cause the wheels to fall off. Lubrication in the form of animal fat or tallow is known to have been used, although the exact composition has not been determined.

You can find a centuries later example wheel at:

http://www.memagazine.org/backissues/membersonly/nov04/features/tutstrib/tutstrib.html

Another interesting historical fact that is recorded: Napoleon tried to move troops in the same geographic area (Suez)in 1797 during his invasion of Egypt and in preparation for a battle with the Turks. He lost more than a few men and he almost drowned when his troops were caught in a tide and wind change--"On the morning of the 28th we crossed the Red Sea dry shod...Near the port the Red Sea is not above 1,500 meters wide, and is always fordable at low water...at high tide the water rises five or six feet at Suez, and when the wind blows fresh it often rises nine or ten feet." Louis Antoine Fauvelet De Bourienne, Memoirs of Napoleon (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1891), V.1 p181 In the evening they entered Suez, but it was highwater; they then ascended to the point of the Red Sea; but the guide lost himself in the marshes, from which he extricated himself with great difficulty, being up to the middle in the water. This guide must have been a descendant of the one who conducted Pharaoh. L.A. Berthier. The French Expedition into Syria (London: Cooper & Wilson, 1799, Reprinted 1990), 22.

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I wish I'd known that before I put some Red Sea Radials on my pickup. Darn things didn't last 5,000 miles. Then I found out they only carried a 100 mile warranty. Boy was I steamed!

Tom

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