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Who yields to who?

#1

Peter Martin

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Question 1

Order in which vehicles proceed.

  1. 1–2–3 (0 [0%])

    0%

  2. 1–3–2 (1 [12.5%])

    14%

  3. 2–1–3 (0 [0%])

    0%

  4. 2–3–1 (7 [87.5%])

    100%

  5. 3–1–2 (0 [0%])

    0%

  6. 3–2–1 (0 [0%])

    0%

In total voted: 8

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Re: Who yields to who?

#3

same - 2-3-1

Through gets priority, then right turns on main through street, then left turns on main through street. 1 goes when nobody else is there.  that's always a stop sign in this state, though. if there will be a yield, it's a second curve off of the bottom of the T going right so the person taking the yield doesn't have to stop. 

there's a couple of four ways in the burbs (perhaps five?) where at least one of the turns also has a yield split off. I guess they wouldn't work on a main line because everyone other than the yield turn still has to stop, but where they are, they really flow well and better than the lights in the same area do when there's no left turning lane. 

Different than the case here, I guess, because all directions stop. I believe if two people get to a stop sign at the same time, the person to the right in the circle goes first. the wild high traffic intersections with the yield turn offs just go in turn, though. If people were at the intersection when you go there, they go before you. If people arrive after you, you go before them, regardless of what the law may be.

right turns onto three lane roads each way with a turning lane and a U at the intersection that's allowed can get iffy, though. my residential area is off of one and if you are taking the U and have a green light, at least 1/3rd chance a person turning right on red will go regardless of whether you're in the middle of a U turn on green.

Re: Who yields to who?

#4
Jason Roehl in Lafayette, IN wrote:

Since #1 has a yield, and left turn yields to going straight, 2-3-1.

Jason

 Yep, no stop signs involved.

Re: Who yields to who?

#5

Simpler method: yield to any vehicle on your right. 3 has no vehicle to its right and thus has the right of way. 1 yields to 3 and 2 yields to 1.

Re: Who yields to who?

#6

Jason Roehl in Lafayette, IN

Dave Bair wrote:

Simpler method: yield to any vehicle on your right. 3 has no vehicle to its right and thus has the right of way. 1 yields to 3 and 2 yields to 1.


Dave, but in this case, 2 and 3 have no signs or signals.  3 is turning left, therefore must yield to 2, who is going straight through, and doesn’t even have to slow down (though that would be wise…)

Jason

Re: Who yields to who?

Edited #7

Peter Martin

A yield sign is the same as a stop sign except you don't have to come to a complete stop if it is safe to proceed (e.g., no traffic). Mentally replace it with a stop sign and it becomes obvious. 

2 - 3 - 1

This is being widely posted and it seems many overlook or don't understand yield signs and starting thinking in terms of our right-of-way rules. Not true here though; it appears our readers are smarter than the average bear. Yabba dabba do!

Re: Who yields to who?

#8

I agreed with 2-3-1 also.

#2 is not turning so has right of way.
#3 is leaving traffic on the street with no traffic control sign so has second right of way
#1 is entering traffic on the street with no traffic control sign so would not have right of way even if the yield sign is not there.  The yield sign just makes it obvious.

If this were a 3 way stop, then the yield to the right rule would apply, but it is not a 3 way stop.

An added wrinkle:
What if #1 were an emergency vehicle?

Re: Who yields to who?

#9

Peter Martin

John in NM wrote:

What if #1 were an emergency vehicle?


1 - 2 - 3

Emergency vehicles always have right-of-way. Once it cleared, normal rules apply to #2 and #3.

Re: Who yields to who?

#10

Emergency vehicles do not have the right of way.  They can proceed against traffic control only once the vehicle(s) with right of way have yielded - essentially voluntarily ceding right of way to the emergency vehicle.

The primary reason for this is that the presence of the emergency vehicle may be unexpected to other drivers, and those drivers are not expected to bear the legal consequences of a surprise exception to the standard rules if they are otherwise following all the rules.

Emergency vehicle drivers have been prosecuted for not yielding when other vehicles with the right of way do not cede right of way - every time I take the training it seems like there's another case study of an ambulance or fire driver who got jail time for causing an accident with a fatality.  The training typically says to approach a situation where you go against traffic control  with due caution, pausing until all the visible traffic has stopped, and look out for other vehicles that may be going around the stopped traffic in frustration.

So the order of the traffic is the same as before.  Vehicles 2 & 3 are expected to cede right of way but they are not required to do so.  If they do, #1 may proceed once the others have clearly stopped.

Some of the training has trick questions like the one I posed in the quiz.  They love putting in trick questions :D

Re: Who yields to who?

Edited #11

Peter Martin

@John in NM,

I asked AI about this and it went into long discussion about "privileges" they have; e.g., to speed, move through red lights and stop signs w/o stopping. 

It seemed to go to great lengths in using the term "privilege" instead of right-of-way. Perhaps there is a subtle legal distinction between having a "privilege" to drive through a stop sign or red light and having a "right-of-way" to do so. To me, they are two terms that mean the same thing. I in a regular vehicle have a right-of-way in certain circumstances, but I still have to exercise caution for others not honoring it or not seeing me. IOW, the same as emergency vehicles where we are both required to "pause, look, and proceed with due caution."

It created this diagram, which I'll drop here to further confuse everyone. :)

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AI wrote:

Step 1: Standard traffic rules

  • Without emergency vehicles:

    • Vehicles stop at red lights or stop signs.

    • Right-of-way is determined by first-to-arrive or traffic signals.


Step 2: Emergency vehicle approaches

  • Ambulance wants to go straight through the intersection, against a stop sign or red light.

  • Emergency vehicle has legal privilege to proceed but must do so safely.

Re: Who yields to who?

#12

So as far as I can tell, AI agrees, but uses confusing wording - that too is why AI writing is pretty easy to spot.  In a nutshell, emergency vehicles do not have right of way privilege - their privilege is to proceed against traffic controls once all other vehicles have ceded their right of way to the emergency vehicle. 

As I said, it was a trick question - one asked because the asker knows that the common perception on it is usually incorrect! :D

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