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Why musical instrument makers are secretive.

#1

Maurice

And why it pisses everyone off that they are.
This trade has ALWAYS suffered from forgery, fakers, plagiarism, name stealing etc.
Why ? Because it takes so long to master the craft and not many have the knack.
Example.
If a good instrument maker shared a secret with just one person I can guarantee it will spread around the trade like wildfire and the fakes will claim not only do they already do that too but better. 
Other factor's are at play.
Artwork is a capital gains free currency.
Strads are now kept in Swiss bank vaults instead of played.

But it goes far far deeper than even that. Secure encryption is nothing new. Harpsichords were used as a secure way for merchants to transmit sensitive information at concert's. During WW2 Harpsichord concert's transmitted coded messages to occupied France. Same with other keyboard instruments. 
Every instrument has a unique tonal signature that is very hard to fake.
Signals is vital to warfare.
The rich and powerful trade on secrecy. They require highly skilled people to validate and verify their credentials. 
Art, music, literature. ALL are used to communicate secrets. 
Information is power.
Ask any CIA tool.
Court musicians were signals intelligence operatives in Queen Elizabeth the firsts day.
Shakespeare is thick with ciphers.
Resonant systems take many form's.

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#2

In an age before patents and copyrights, the only protection any craftsman had regarding trade secrets were jut that they were kept secret so others couldn't copy them.  If I were able to make a musical instrument that was superior to all or almost all others, why would I tell anyone the secret to my success?  Most instrument makers, by the way died pretty much in poverty.

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#3

Maurice

Lee Schierer wrote:

In an age before patents and copyrights, the only protection any craftsman had regarding trade secrets were jut that they were kept secret so others couldn't copy them.  If I were able to make a musical instrument that was superior to all or almost all others, why would I tell anyone the secret to my success?  Most instrument makers, by the way died pretty much in poverty.

In the old days, guilds protected many trades from copy cat's etc. Yes, it could be argued it was a protectionist system but it also guaranteed quality to customers. 
A competent employee could look forward to long term job security and raise a family.
Stradivarius was a wealthy man. A very successful violin maker in his own time.
The same was true for many other instruments and their maker's. 
The Ruckers Harpsichord dynasty produced exceptional sounding instruments through very advanced subtle engineering of their work. Dying in poverty ? No. That's a more recent phenomenon. Brought on by the Masonic Mafia and the Catholic Church. 
A qualified master Organ builder could expect to pay off his mortgage and raise a family. They were highly respected craftsmen. 
In the past, management generally understood the importance of giving working men dignity and pride in their work.
No longer.

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#4

Maurice, you're missing something now in regard to secrets or guarantees of something special that's unique now by implication...

.....marketing and an uneducated buying public makes a marketing campaign implying or claiming a secret far more valuable than a secret itself. if a small knife maker wants to tout their heat treating process and show the results but not share information, I don't know if it gets sales. I've talked at length in various places about heat treatment, and what it usually results in instead of someone else trying it is someone asking if I'll make a one off that requires metalwork and heat treatment that's not commercially viable. I guess that it's not commercially viable has to do with why there aren't other options. it wouldn't be household sustaining at any reasonable cost, either - so definitely not on my radar. 

Not just the plight of the organ makers - imagine the value of a regional gun maker in 1775 vs now.

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#5

Maurice

The nature of craftsmanship is to adapt to ones existing environment and keep moving forward. Tempering requires greater discipline than hardening. 
Cold hammer forging while stretching is the art of driving one's soul in to the weapon of choice. Blood and sweat. Cold fire and the temple in mother earth's shadow. 
The Harpsichord is more than an instrument just of music.
It is the blacksmiths gauge of material strength and virtue. I have seen and wielded those blades of cold fire. I have forged them.
I know the art of the Dwarves.

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#6

Maurice - I'm afraid that's going to be too hard to follow for marketing purposes.

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Maurice

David Weaver wrote:

Maurice - I'm afraid that's going to be too hard to follow for marketing purposes.

And that's the way we like to keep it.
My soul isn't for sale.

Added later 13 h 43 min 44 s:

Marketing shit as ice cream made America the junk food capital of the world. 
Actually it seems to be a market niche they created across many sectors. Main battle tanks that use turbines  ! How dumb can you get ? 
Don't get me started on the Blockheed Martin and their vaunted F35. 
A country so free it has the highest prison population on the planet. A country so convinced of its exceptionalism that it can fuck any country they like for arms profits. 
Because Aipac runs their congress and senate for them. 
And now their carrier fleet is redundant because of hypersonic missiles. 
Guys, you gotta change your thinking before you get us all killed for Ronald MacDonald.
Clown world sucks.

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Maurice wrote:
David Weaver wrote:

Maurice - I'm afraid that's going to be too hard to follow for marketing purposes.

And that's the way we like to keep it.
My soul isn't for sale.

Added later 13 h 43 min 44 s:

Marketing shit as ice cream made America the junk food capital of the world. 
Actually it seems to be a market niche they created across many sectors. Main battle tanks that use turbines  ! How dumb can you get ? 
Don't get me started on the Blockheed Martin and their vaunted F35. 
A country so free it has the highest prison population on the planet. A country so convinced of its exceptionalism that it can fuck any country they like for arms profits. 
Because Aipac runs their congress and senate for them. 
And now their carrier fleet is redundant because of hypersonic missiles. 
Guys, you gotta change your thinking before you get us all killed for Ronald MacDonald.
Clown world sucks.


A litlte less clear on the woodworking tie in on this one. You might have to shift time frames and go back to the Mosquito to get back on topic.

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#9

Maurice

Point well taken. It just so happens my families cousins designed and built the Mosquito. 
FYI. It was developed from my families twin engined fighter, the Westland whirlwind.
Designed by Teddy Petter. 
My grandfather flew both types during the war. 
Because we brought the UK quickly to parity against the Germans it forced them to drastically shift their strategies.
The Mosquito had a very low radar return being made of wood. It surgically attacked critical infrastructure with minimal civilian casualties. It changed the course of the war.
It supplied fighter cover for the dams raid and ended Germany's nuclear program underneath them. FYI.
The wooden wonder was built by cabinet makers, Joiners, piano makers, Pipe organ builder's, pattern makers etc in sheds and workshops dispersed around the country. 
To fast to catch, it could out manouver a focke Wulf 190. 
X squadron marks had pulse cannons.
The entire fuselage was a capacitor to hold the multi million volt discharge required to power it. The lethality of this mark deterred the Japanese from invading Australia. One pulse hit against a battle ship was enough at water level. 
The German night fighters were evaporated in a blinding blue white flash.
Sorry, hope that's not to off topic.
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#10

Two kinds of people;  those that do  what they do, and those that are secretly watching what you do. Human nature, people have been stealing other peoples stuff since people have been,  because it is highly lucrative.  
Interesting stuff about the planes.

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#11

Steve Latta discusses some of the market interactions of federal period shops in this vid.  I found the implied lack of secrecy between them to be a bit surprising, but also not surprising, being more in line with successful markets seen today, ie more in line with what David is saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiiTlAaKXPs&t=3472s

I recommend skipping the host's intro.  The first bit of Steve talking is all the historical stuff, but later on he gets to technique demonstration and continues discussing some of the history as he works and answers audience questions.  This is one of the very rare youtube vids I've thoroughly enjoyed and watched repeatedly.

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#12

Maurice

The real interest in woodworking and its related cross disciplines is a deep subject with many layers. You won't get the solid gold on YouTube or in any other venue. 
Experience and experiment leads to many exciting and rewarding discoveries far beyond the superficial bling that most focus on. Timber has many unique properties. Only hands on will you fully realise the possibilities. It is a complex matrix of carbon nanotubes, minerals, organic compounds etc. Each timber a specialist application. How it looks is interesting and pleasing to the eye. How it performs under load and married to resonant inputs ? 
There's the magic.

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