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Dammit Petrer

#1

I typed a long answer to the question on red oak, trying to vent and have a discussion.  When I hit submit I got a RED warning about Expired token twice and it went away.

Not easy, not intuitive, makes me feel old.  What the H?

Re: Dammit Petrer

Edited #2

hit
preview
first, make edits, then
submit
I get that often

Re: Dammit Petrer

Edited #3

admin

It's built in to the forum software (which I didn't write). There are x-minutes to submit when posting, then you are asked to preview first. It's common with most software where you submit something. A long wait can mean you are writing carefully, slowly, or left the computer to do something else. It keeps someone else from submitting your post while you are away. Or a cat that likes to walk on keyboards.

Does the message need to be more clear? I haven't seen it myself so I don't know what it says.

Regards from Abingdon VA USA

--Dammit Peter Martin :)

Re: Dammit Petrer

#4

Breaking my promise to only post in the metalurgical pen - I wrote one of the metallurgical bits yesterday and walked away. Came back much later, finished it and submitted and the same message. 

However, this is common across forums, so it was my fault for letting it go. 

(for the benefit of others - peter was past this point when coding basic was done by one person in every zip code)

The way to deal with it is to select all and then copy (Ctrl-A and then Ctrl-C) just before pushing submit. If the token says "no way pal, can't post it" (Vince McMahon voice), you've already copied the post contents, and go back and start a fresh reply and paste all of the text (mouse or Ctrl-V)
 
Even if it tells you the token is expired, you can still do the select-all and copy routine. The only way you lose out is if you give up and start with a fresh post without copying anything.

Re: Dammit Petrer

#5

Regardless of forum, if I have put some effort into preparing a post and am uncertain about something, I do the Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C copy trick mentioned by David, just in case. I sometimes open a text editor application and paste it there for extra security - unfortunately, it is easy to do a Ctrl-C on something else and overwrite the post on the clipboard.
I don't know if it is possible or desired to implement on this forum, but on another I frequent does an auto-save at some intervals. Going back into the same thread if you hadn't posted it, it will ask you if you want to Restore or Discard what was saved.

Re: Dammit Petrer

Edited #6

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@David Weaver,

You can also just press "Preview" and that will reset the token, and then "Submit" will work.

I haven't seen the message displayed when the token has expired, and I just asked the dev about it where it can be edited, and if the expiration time is configurable. 

The forum project is Open Source, so everyone is encouraged to provide feedback to the developer.

https://forkbb.ru/
https://github.com/forkbb/forkbb

As an aside, the dev is Russian and doesn't know English. And I don't know Russian. So there's that. ;) 

Most Chrome-based browsers have a translation option built-in that does an excellent job.

Added later 05 min 23 s:

He just responded:
https://forkbb.ru/post/384#p384

I'll upgrade our server with his changes from the Github repository when I get a round tuit. All I have now are square ones. :)

Re: Dammit Petrer

#7

I guess for the peanut gallery, it might be useful if there are navigational things stored somewhere. if I am posting here, I may not be the youngest person, but at near 50, could be 30 years below average. 

it sounds like for the folks who aren't working in documents all day, the tried and true thing would be to always preview, and the token is refreshed no matter how long an unattended post may be neglected prior to that?

There is a strange generational dynamic - especially now with cloud stuff and virtual machines all over the place for old school software that doesn't agree with cloud. My generation saved file versions incessantly and then in windows was on "ctrl-s" all day if not saving versions. 

The generation behind me sometimes is too trusting of things like network versioning of files or redundancy and gets a gross surprise opening a recovered document that is 5 hours of work ago. 

A pinned post of frustration reducers may help with retention.

Re: Dammit Petrer

Edited #8

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@David Weaver,

There's a help page for the forum, but I haven't added much to it yet:

https://www.woodcentral.com/wiki/doku.php?id=forum:start

A work in progress, as they say.

That said however, I really would like for things to be simple and obvious, without the need to go hunting down answers for what could be obvious or answered on the page itself. I suspect the message given isn't clear, and even may be in Russian. There are still some translations issues in this software which is actually an Alpha version (not for production use).

Added later 17 min 25 s:

Bill Howatt wrote:

I don't know if it is possible or desired to implement on this forum, but on another I frequent does an auto-save at some intervals. Going back into the same thread if you hadn't posted it, it will ask you if you want to Restore or Discard what was saved.

I'm sure that could be done and would be a nice addition.

Added later 3 d 13 h 37 min 25 s:

@Barry Irby,

https://www.woodcentral.com/forkbb/post/76004536#p76004536

See #6. I think that means it now defaults to one hour before it resets the token for submitting a post  And if an hour goes by, all that needs done is to PREVIEW once before pressing SUBMIT.

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