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Hunter tool sharpness

john lucas

I'm still doing testing for my article on how different steels sharpen. Took a Hunter carbide cutter to the college to be photographed under the Scanning Electron microscope. John K Jordan was also nice enough to loan me a BESS sharpness tester. Been having fun with that. Anyway back to the carbide cutter. On the BESS tester it test as sharp as high end cutlery right out of the box. No wonder it cuts so well. It's not as sharp as the other tools I hand sharpened and stropped but those came out sharper than Utility knife razors but not quite up to a single edge razor. Just for fun I took a Thompson spindle gouge sharpened at a 45 degree included angle on a 180 CBN and then honed with a 600 grit diamond hone on the inside and outside of the flute. The Hunter cutter was quite a bit sharper than this gouge tested.

Under the SCM the edge is really unique. It looked prefectly straight up to about 1000X magnification which is really sharp. When we went higher it had a series of large convex waves for lack of a better description. These waves then had irregular saw teeth like the other tools do when approaching this magnification.

It wasn't as sharp as the other tools but is quite a bit sharper right out of the box than most of you sharpen your own tools. Very interesting. I'll post photos after I get the article written which will go in More Woodturning online magazine

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Mike Stafford

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Mike Stafford

Looking forward to seeing the article John.

I know the Hunter cutters are sharp. I have cut myself on them more than once by carelessly reaching for a tool. Of course I have cut myself on gouges and skews also but it only takes slight contact with a fresh Hunter cutter to get a cut.

As many of you know I have a reputation as a free bleeder and used to receive boxes and boxes of band aids from my students each week at John C. Campbell thanks to Jamie Donaldson's gross exaggeration of the time I tried to amputate my thumb with one of his carving tools. :b

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Ron Bauer

John, to that very point ( a pun intended) is it possible to get SEM's of other carbide cutters for comparison? Just wondering. Ron

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john lucas

I suppose it's possible but I don't want to push my welcome. He was already nice enough to interupt his schedule to do the Hunter tool. They normally charge $135 an hour to do those jobs. As retired staff he fit me in and I don't want to take unfair advantage of that. I only threw the Hunter carbide in because I knew they were sharp out of the box and thought it might be interesting if my friend had the time. I was actually amazed at how busy his schedule is for the use of that machine.

The Hunter carbide tools are highly polished unlike other carbides I have seen which is partly why I thought it might be a good comparison. I really didn't expect carbide to be in the ball park of the other tools and started to not do it but when I talked to my Friend who runs the SCM he said sure bring it in and we will just see if it's any good.

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I don't know of any honed carbide....

JamieDonaldson

...cutters other than the Hunters. Most are simply flat ground scrapers rather than the Hunter "slicers" and there is no valid comparison between the two types. There are probably several copied versions out now, but my money is on the original Hunters now being used on other tools.

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honed carbide....  I've seen two

John K Jordan

The cutter for the Vermec sphere jig looks somewhat like the Hunter with an extremely sharp polished edge but with a series of indentations in the cup:


It's the same size as one of the Hunter cutters; in fact Woodworkers Emporium sells the Hunter cutter for that jig - I tried one here and it fits perfectly. (Yikes, I hate to put such a poor photo near messages by professional photographers!)

I have another tool with a cutter much like the Hunter. I can't find the photo right now but the tool is heavy with a long taper. I got it from Charlie Anderson who I think had it for quite a while. I suspect similar cutters are available somewhere but they must be a big secret!

JKJ

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Re: honed carbide....  I've seen two

john lucas

I think that tool was called the Eliminator of something like that. It is what spurred me to use the Hunter cutter at a shear angle. Then a little more exploration showed that I could use the Hunter cutters at lots of different angles and approaches for different purposes.

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Re: honed carbide....  I've seen two

John K Jordan

>>>I think that tool was called the Eliminator

Ah, I remember now. I never used it and don't plan to. If you want it I'd gladly Eliminate it from my shop.

JKJ

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ebd

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ebd

I have bought all sorts of hollowing tools - not to hollow through tiny openings - just to work on deeper bowls and ones with undercut lips. I have never been able to master using any of them.

After reading your post I ordered a Hunter replacement cutter to try out (I can't justify an entire Hunter rig). It could be that the tools I was trying to use didn't have the proper sharpness. At least I know that if I have the same problem with the Hunter it's time to give up on hollowing tools. LOL

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John C Lucas

Presentation of the tool.to the wood is very important for any hollowing tool.but especially for the Hunter tools. I have videos that show their usage. Go to youtube and type in john60lucas/hunter and you can find them. One of my favorite tools for hollowing is the Lyle Jamieson rotating holder with the #1 Hunter tool mounted in it.

If you purchase a 6mm or larger cutter ,mount it on a bar and use it flat like a scraper you will be hugely dissappointed. They need to be used as a bevel.rubbig tool tilted at an angle. Another alternative is the Hunter Hercules where the cutter is tilted.forward 30 degrees.

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Here is the cutter I like.    *LINK*


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0v7-HMuCvvM

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Re: I don't know of any - Hope?

John K Jordan

Jamie,

I noticed this, looks just like the Hunter bit, closeup about 2 minutes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMUwYhz6KN0

I like to try the angle of the cutter on the square tool. Here is info. http://hopewoodturning.co.uk/carbide_tools_23.html

There is a different (and good) video at the bottom of the page.

Maybe worth buying one to experiment with.

JKJ

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