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My versions of articulated hollowing jig *LINK*

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My versions of articulated hollowing jig *LINK*

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My versions of articulated hollowing jig *LINK*

Dave Paine

This post is longer than expected, but providing detail in case others want to try their hand at a similar jig.

In the March meeting of my local wood turning club, a member, Sonny talked to me about his future demonstration in Sept where he was going to show a simple hollowing jig with laser. He commented that he thought I would be able to suggest some improvements.

A wood version of a captured bar hollowing system.


After seeing the picture I offered to make an improved hollowing jig for Sonny to use over the summer and include in his demonstration in Sept.

I started work on the first version in mid-April. I did a few internet searches to find many of the various commercial designs, and some homemade designs.

I then decided on an articulated arm design. My aim was to make an inexpensive jig which was relatively simple to build with table saw and drill press. I ended up also using my metal lathe, but it should be possible to make some design changes to avoid the metal lathe at the expense of some flexibility such as accepting different tool diameters.

A couple of weeks later I saw this thread by John Lucas who also wanted to make an articulated design but was not sure of his skills on his Smithy lathe/mill.

See link below

I am including some of the details of how my design evolved. Most, perhaps all of my projects evolve during the design or build.

I wanted my design to use mount in the tailstock and use the Morse taper to hold the jig. This is to avoid the need to remove the tailstock for folks like me who do not have sufficient bed length to just slide the tailstock out of the way. I also wanted to avoid the cost of making a post and foot assembly to mount on the lathe bed. I feel the tailstock is more than capable of holding the jig.

A couple of commercial articulated arm jigs use the tailstock. One mounts around the quill, another mounts in the Morse taper, but does not use a drawbar.

Sonny has a Powermatic 3520B lathe with a hollow quill so can use a drawbar to hold the Morse taper in place.

To keep the material costs down and for a simple to construct design, I decided on a mix of wood, aluminium and some steel components.

Wood is used for the head, the base and an arm. Aluminium bar to connect between the wood components. Cut with a hack saw. Holes drilled on the drill press.

I thought about how to support the joints and allow smooth rotation. I wanted to avoid a design which required tight machining of a hole and pressing e.g., a roller skate bearing into the arm.

I decided to use thrust bearings in the rotating joints. The style I purchased from ENCO (now MSCDirect) consists of two ground washers and needle roller bearing. The design articulates easily - even under load.

This picture shows the thrust bearings in a test piece alongside the components - two precision ground washers and a needle bearing.


For the Morse taper, I used a purchased MT2 taper with 1/2in x 20 tpi screw which also was made with a tapped hole for 3/8in x 16 tpi drawbar.

I felt the 1/2in x 20 tpi thread was a bit smaller than I wanted to epoxy in the wood base so I made an aluminium bushing which was threaded for the 1/2in x 20 tpi screw. The screw thread was then reinforced by using epoxy to glue this into the inner thread of the bushing. The bushing was then epoxied into the wood base.


I drilled 7/8in dia shallow holes in the wood for the thrust bearing assemblies. Depth was just less than 1/8in. I did this to try and minimize the wood debris getting into the needle bearings.

I wanted everything to fit relatively tight to minimize "slop" in the jig. The bolts for example have a slight radius under the head. The diameter at the radius is a little bigger than the nominal shaft diameter.

I trimmed the underside of the 3/8in x 16 tpi bolt heads to be flat and to be the nominal diameter. In this picture you can see the trimmed bolts sit flat. The as-purchased bolts are a bit proud of the hole. A washer may have fixed this issue, but the washers I have are stamped and have their own issues of not being truly flat. Easier to fix the head of the bolts. I do not need the washers.


I prefer to try and use materials on-hand before dashing out to purchase things. I had a few feet of 1/4in x 1in aluminium bar which had been sitting in the shop for a few decades. A wanted to use thicker bar, but sometimes we need to make the design around what we have available.

This was my prototype test head. Drilled for 3/4in dia hole to accept bushings. A piece of 3/4in O1 drill rod for a bushing with set screw to hold the tool in place.

The hole in the lower right was for a bolt and barrel nut. This bolt applied pressure to a slit in the side intended to prevetn the bushing from rotating.


As with many prototypes, sometimes we learn what works, sometimes we learn what may not work as well as desired. This was the later.

I got the idea to make the bushings from 3/4in bolts. I drilled a 3/4in hole then marked out the hex pattern on the head and chiseled out a hex.


I then used the bolt and barrel nut to hold the bolt hex head into the jig head.


For this picture I screwed in the bolt by hand to hold the bushing, then slid the tool in the bushing. Once I mounted the tool in the bushing I found it was a pain to use a hex key to tighten the bolt.

I made a small bushing, epoxied to a 1/4in x 20 tpi bolt. Now this can be tightened by hand or with a wrench.


This was easier to use - at least when installing the bushing and tool. Sonny mentioned the hex bolt heads fit rather snug so are presently not as easy to remove as I planned.


In the above picture you can see I drilled and tapped the head for 3/8in x 16 tpi thread for a laser support. This wood felt to be sufficient density to hold the thread.

Sonny will be giving the jig back to me at this weeks meetings so I can fix the issues with the tight fit and improve the locking method.

This is main jig components laid out. The drawbar is a piece of 3/8in x 16 tpi all-thread. I made a bushing epoxied into the drawbar knob. I could have epoxied a nut into the knob.

I added a post in the middle of the two aluminium arms to increase rigidity of the arms.

In this design all the holes in the aluminium are through holes. Lock nuts are used on the end of the bolts.

The laser support components laid out. The cam clamp was intended to provide tool-free use. It was later replaced. It did not hold as well as desired so the laser slipped causing Sonny to blow through the first test piece. I replaced with a simple 1/4in nut tightened with a wrench and no longer slips.


The jig assembled for this picture on my NOVA lathe.


The jig being used on Sonnys lathe. I did not get the drawbar in this picture.


I have a local wood turner friend who has a Lyle Jamieson captured bar hollowing system. He found the set screws to hold the tools in the bushings contribute to vibration so he asked me to make additional bushings so he could epoxy each tool in its own bushing. He commented this may a big improvement to using his jig.

I suggested that Sonny epoxy his tools in the bushings, which he did.

Sonny has hollowed several pieces with this jig. His latest feedback was "The tool is still operating tremendously and is a joy to use."

The MT2 taper with the drawbar is holding the jig without any issues. Sonny really likes not having to remove his tailstock to use this jig.

I will save this post and add another post on version 2 which has some significant design improvements.

Since some of the items were already on-hand, I estimate the cost of the materials to be around $40 - $50.


John Lucas articulated hollowing tool thread

Re: My versions of articulated hollowing jig *LINK*

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Good job


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Lyle Jamieson

wow


Re: My versions of articulated hollowing jig *LINK*

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Re: Version 2 of articulated hollowing jig

Dave Paine

After making the first version for Sonny, I offered to make a jig for another turner friend, Duncan if he wanted a jig, since he had commented he had started to turn hollow forms.

I visited a local metal recycle place to look for some aluminium bar. A LOT less expensive than purchasing on-line. I found a piece of bar 5/8in x 1in x 31in. This was a good length to get all the bar components.

The first main design change was to the method to hold the bushings in the head.

Looking at the jig in use, I felt the front mounted locking knob consumed some of the tool length so reduced the maximum hollowing depth. I decided to "move" the locking bolt to the side of the head. I made a bushing/nut from a piece of the threaded ends of the bolts from the first version.

I drilled and tapped the bottom bar components for the 3/8in x 16 tpi bolts.

This time I decided to use a machinable MT2 arbor. I had to machine this to 7/8in dia since I did not have a 15/16in Forstner bit.


I have not yet found a machinable arbor without a tang so I had to cut off the tang then drill and tap for the 3/8in x 16 tpi thread for the drawbar.


The assembled jig mounted on my NOVA lathe. I had made the arm components the same length, but forgot the wood arm is longer once the shorter pieces of bar are attached. I have seen other commercial versions where the arms are different lengths. I think it should still work well.


Duncan has a different NOVA lathe, but the same overall bed dimensions. As I looked at the maximum retraction of the arms with the present tool length, it felt to constrain the hollowing depth.


Duncan suggested that if the tool could slide inside the head this would allow greater potential hollowing depth. A good idea, but it would require a different method to attach the head. The present bolt is in the same centre line as the tool.

My solution was to epoxy two nuts in the head, above and below the tool path. I would then use two shorter bolts to attach the head.


In the first version, the bolt is tightened to the arms. The head rotates around the bolt. In this version the bolts are tightened to the head and so they rotate inside the arm. I needed to allow for a smooth rotation. I drilled out the holes to be 1/2in dia for bronze bushings. I still have the thrust bearing under the bronze bushings since the arms need to apply pressure on the head to avoid any slop. The pressure is provided by the other end of the arm being about 10 thou longer. The middle bolt is about 5 thou longer, so a pinching action on the head taking advantage of the 5/8in thick bar to minimize flexing.

The bushings and bolts were machined to length. A test fit that the bolts do not protrude into the tool hole which was drilled all the way through the head.


With this modification the tool is now able to slide along the head to increase hollowing depth if required.


Since the through-feed design means the tools cannot be epoxied into the bushing, I decided to drill the bushings so the side locking nut can engage in the bushing to keep this in place and also tighten down on the tool. For a belts-and-braces addition, I also drilled the head for a 1/4in x 20 tpi set screw, not shown in this picture. Hence two screws to hold the tool in place to reduce chatter.


I did not take a picture of the final design on the lathe. This picture shows all the components I sent to Duncan. The set screws can be seen in the bushings.


Duncan has been using the jig in the last week and is very happy with how it works. He commented he can see the laser dot much better than with hand-held tools since it does not bounce around as much. He is also able to stand closer to the project rather than crouched over the end of the lathe.

Re: My versions of articulated hollowing jig *LINK*

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Re: Version 2 of articulated hollowing jig

john lucas

Dave That's a well done rig. However with a 5/8" bar you won't be able to hollow that deep without lots of chatter anyway so I wouldn't extend it very far.

Re: My versions of articulated hollowing jig *LINK*

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Re: Version 2 of articulated hollowing jig

Dave Paine

I have made a few 5/8in dia hollowing tools for local friends. So far no comments on chatter so not sure if the same as hand held or just not mentioned.

I am not sure of the max depth they have hollowed. Sonny has gone about 7in.

The hole in the jig is 3/4in so this is the max tool diameter. If the folks want to use this diameter tool, I just need to machine a 3/4in nut and add set screw in lieu of a bushing.