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first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

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first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

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first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

john Lucas

John K Jordan let me borrow his new Vermec jig. I had to play with it today. First of all the literature was terrible. If I had not used a Sphere jig I probably would not have it set up correctly. There may be a video online, I didn't look.

this thing is solid as a rock. very heavy and extremely well built. One thing was apparent quickly. You can't put it on and off the lathe with the tailstock in place. It has a round lock down ring. I would have made it rectangular and given the locking knob more movement so you could loosen it, rotate the locking rectangle and remove it without taking anything else off the lathe. I sometimes use the tailstock and tool rest to rough turn the sphere and then use the jig. It's kind of in the way for some operations so I had to jury rig my tool rest to get around those limitations. It also didn't give you any instructions for adjusting the locking ring but that's pretty obvious to anyone who has any mechanical knowledge at all.

There wasn't any info on adjusting the height of the cutter. Since it uses a cupped cutter I assume it should be on the center line and then fiddled around until I found a collar with a set screw that you could adjust to fine tune the height. It was very easy to adjust once I figured it out. Then you need to lock the vertical swiveling part of the jig in a position that will let you turn the size sphere you want. You have to do this with a wrench. I think I would have used a large knob or wing nut but then again the wrench really secures it in place. I think a big wing nut would also but that's just me.

OK once I got everything in place and adjusted, you move the whole unit until it's directly under the center point of your planned sphere. It has a really nice point that is adjustable to you can easily find this point. however when I took the whole unit out of the box there were 2 little 0 rings in the bottom of the bearing assembly. Apparently they fit on this centering pin to let it slide up and down. There weren't any instructions to show me where. If put them on the bottom and pull the pin up too far the fall off into the bearing assembly. I assumed you put one on top and one on the bottom to hold this pin in place. That seemed to work as long as you don't pull the pin all the way up or push it all the way down. then the 0 rings fall of.

OK so much for the nit picking. Once it's all in place and adjusted it works like a dream. Very clean cutting. It has a cutter somewhat similar to the Hunter cutters. It's obviously different if you hold them side by side but the basic geometry is the same. cuts like a dream. The adjustment for moving the cutter in and out is super smooth and solid. I turned a sphere out of color ply and it cut this problem stuff very cleanly.

I'm going to try and find someone close buy to let me borrow a Carter jig again so I can compare them. If I remember correctly the Carter had some advantages to this but also had some disadvantages and I won't know until I hold one in my hands again to make sure.

Re: first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

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Re: first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

David Walser

John -- I agree with all your points about the poor quality of the instructions that come with the Vermec sphere jig. The instructions are abysmal. My thought is that the owner, who's an engineer, simply thinks how to set up and use the jig is so obvious that no additional comment was necessary. I find many engineers are similarly taciturn. Others fall on the other end of the spectrum. They explain the smallest details with a verbosity that rivals my own.

I bought my jig through Woodworker's Emporium in Las Vegas. They ground off two sides of the locking plate so I can install and remove the jig without removing the tailstock from the lathe. It's a nice feature and one that Vermec should make standard.

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Re: first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

robo hippy

I guess the question I would have about sphere jigs is that if you do a lot of them, do you really need a jig? Or would be doing them free hand be faster. I have seen Soren Berger's jig for laying out spheres to cut them, and figured out some thing similar in my head for doing them rather than buying the jig.

robo hippy

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Re: first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

John K Jordan

>I bought my jig through Woodworker's Emporium in Las Vegas. They

>ground off two sides of the locking plate so I can install and remove the

>jig without removing the tailstock from the lathe. It's a nice feature

>and one that Vermec should make standard.

David, I plan to machine the clamping plate to let it be put into place without removing the tailstock. From their website, W. Emporium charges $20 for this but I didn't see where Vermec offered that option.

JKJ

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Re: first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

John C Lucas

My friend Pat Matranga bought the Carter jig to see if it would speed up her sphere turning. She is very good at making them. She said it was much slower. For people like me who turn them occasionally its probably a tiny bit faster but then i do have a lot of turni g skills . It would be faster and more accurate for new turners. I will say its fun and takes any stress out of sphere turning. Kind of like going from.hand hollowing to captured bar systems .

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Re: first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

robo hippy

Hmm, interesting with the comparison with hollowing systems. I have found, for the few hollow forms I do, that I rough out a lot faster with hand held set up (McNaughton) than I do with my captured bar set up. May have to practice some more.... It might be faster with spheres to rough them out a bit first, then mount for the jig.

robo hippy

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#7

I always rough out before using the jig

Dick Coers

But where the jig really shines is when I need multiples of the same size. I seem to always be undersize when I do them by hand. Always chasing that shadow line!

Re: first impressions with the Vermec sphere jig

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Re: I always rough out before using the jig

john Lucas

Ditto what Dick says. If you don't rough it out first you waste a lot of time knocking off the corners because you can only take so big of a bite with the jigs without getting chatter.

you might remember I joked about starting with a tennis ball sized sphere and by the time I chased the shadows turning between cups I had a marble. It is hard to get 2 exactly the same size. Most of the time it doesn't matter but if you want the same size sphere then the jigs are the way to go.

If I remember correctly the Carter jig had a sort of stop nut on the threaded part that moves the cutter forward. This allowed you to make repeated spheres of exactly the same size. When my friend who needed spheres that size came over to play with the Carter jig we were able to get them withing .010 of the same size. Now that's assuming you make them right then. Wood can move more than .010" over night if the humidity changes much. Still that's extremely close for a material than can easily move under the stress of removing wood. It would be extremely hard to do that buy hand if it would even be possible.