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Dust Collection Comparisions

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Dust Collection Comparisions

Vince Welch

So can anybody speak to the performance differences between say:

PSI 1-1/2 1 1/2HP Dustroyer Dust Collector w/ 1 Micron Canister Filter and Collection Bags https://www.pennstateind.com/store/DC2V3CF.html

and say the:

1.5HP Molded Mini Gorilla HEPA Dust Collector http://www.oneida-air.com/inventoryD.asp?item_no=XXPM010100H ??

I am using dust collection on only one machine mostly the lathe. I have always wondered how much difference there might be between these two units or comparable units? 110V only please.

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robo hippy

Vince,

I don't think too highly of the PSI products. Mostly, they clone other peoples stuff. I think it was the Clear View guy, but maybe not, who did an in house comparison of different dust collection systems, to see how close their claims actually were. If they list only CFM rating, and not static pressure (I think that is the name, measures actual pull/vacuum), and of course, some of the brands didn't measure up. He was told by one unnamed company not to publish under threat of law suit. The cheapest is seldom the best buy. Oneida or Clear View would be my first choices.

robo hippy

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David Walser

Vince -- There's a huge difference between the two. The Penn State unit is a large scale vacuum. Penn State's unit forces all the dust into its large filter. The efficiency of the unit starts to drop as soon as its turned on as each particle of dust clogs part of the filter. You'll have to frequently clean the filter canister to allow thee unit to keep working.

Oneida's unit is a true cyclone, which is a much more efficient design. Over 99% of everything sucked into the cyclone ends up in the bottom of the cyclone (this is true of even very fine dust particles). This means that the unit can operate efficiently for hours without any measurable decrease in airflow caused by a clogged filter.

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Dave Paine

There area number of ways to consider "performance". For some folks it is the ability to filter out the smallest particles. For some folks it is the ability to remove large particles and debris from a machine. For some folks it is the ability to be able to remove particles and debris with a long duct system.

Your links have a regular dust collector and a cyclone. These are very different designs.

A regular dust collector, i.e. without cyclone will have higher airflow and static pressure. The manufacturers do not often publish the performance curve so rarely easy to see how the airflow drops with static pressure. As the airflow drops so does the ability to keep larger particles in the air stream. These units normally do not filter out the smallest particles, so if you are sensitive to really fine dust these are not for you.

A cyclone dust collector will have lower airflow and static pressure. Some of this is due to the inherent energy losses in the cyclone flow. The more we force a fluid to change direction and / or velocity, the more energy the fluid will consume. Cyclones are easier to hook up the discharge to a HEPA filter, so the units are able to filter out really fine dust particles. Hence if you are sensitive to fine dust, these units are for you.

Oneida provide a performance curve, but without other companies providing the equivalent, then nothing to compare.

As others mentioned PSI may not be the best quality and may not have the best overall performance.

Which ever machine you purchase, I recommend minimizing the pressure drop in the duct system. I had a crusade to reduce the pressure drop in my system and I was able to greatly improve airflow and suction at the machines.

Minimize flex duct, use straight duct where possible. Avoid "Y" and especially "T" fittings if possible. Minimize elbows. Use long radius elbows vs short radius. Minimize length of duct. Use metal blast gates vs plastic.

My dust collector is a Jet 1 1/2HP with a 1 micron cannister, the Jet equivalent of the PSI model you linked. This provides good airflow and suction at the machines. It is able to handle the debris from my DeWalt planer.

You will find trying to collect debris from a wood lathe is not easy, since the debris mostly goes toward the operator and the duct opening is normally on the other side. I get decent dust removal when sanding on the lathe.

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robo hippy

Vince, I didn't notice the 110v only. When reading every thing I could find out about woodshops some 25 years ago, every book I read said that motors above 1 hp, should run on 220v current. They just work better. Having a centralized set up rather than machine on a cart is huge in time savings. Only problem is making sure you don't lose the remote in the shavings.... The FM frequency ones are the best, and the one in my turning room stays on the wall on a clip. The one out in the shop floats around to where ever I am using it.

robo hippy

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The PSI will work if modified

Dick Coers

I have a Jet version of the PSI link. The cartridge would fill with dust fairly quickly, especially quickly as the lower bag was nearing full. I researched the Thien baffle and added one of those. HUGE difference. There are also plans on his top hat design which is a separator. So depends if you want to tinker with it or just plop down the cash. Probably depends on how good abrasive sales are for you!

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Matt

Sounds like I was in a similar situation a couple years back. I have 110v and didn't want to upgrade voltage. I bought the PSI with the 1m canister, it was called something else, but had the same specs and looks identical. I have had zero issues with it. I use it mostly for sanding and dry work. I do not have anything to compare it too except my buddie's DC that has a cloth bag and his is horrible. I just planed 200+ bd/ft of red oak and mine worked perfectly. The 1m canister hasn't got clogged. Sure it doesn't look like the greatest machine, but it works. I'm going to add a "wok" as a separator (to mimic the Jet version) that I saw from an online article (pop woodworking I believe.) Also speaking of 110v machines, I love my Jet 1642 as well as my laguna bandsaw 14/12. FWIW, I'm a hobby turner and turn only a few hrs a session a couple times a week (when I'm lucky.) Cheers,

Matt

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Dave Paine

I was originally considering adding a cone to my Jet after seeing the latest model in a local store.

I changed to adding a Thien baffle as mentioned by Dick. Easier to install and likely more effective.

I used a piece of 1/4in ply, 2 pieces of scrap ply for the screw locations on the collar.


Simple installation. Picture is of the bottom of the collar.


The Thien baffle keeps the majority of the debris in the plastic bag.

The cannister will get the fines, but easier to clean than without the baffle.

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Tom Albrecht

This is probably way more than you asked for here.

I started on a similar quest a few weeks ago, though I did not limit myself to 110 Volts. Similarly, I was thinking the lathe was the only machine I wanted a DC hooked up to. I researched on forums, and on various manufacturers websites--Jet, Laguna, Clear View, Harbor Freight, Northern Tool, and Oneida, and with repeat phone calls and emails to some as my research kept bringing up more questions.

I should note that this all began after my third bout with bronchitis in as many months starting in December. I am 66 now and I want to remain healthy.

So I ended up including two other big dust makers, the table saw and the band saw all in smallish basement shop (700 Sq Ft).

I just placed an order today with Oneida.

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Gbalock

I basically have the Jet version of the PSI product. I only use it for sanding and cleaning up the shop with the trash can separator. I recently went on a DC improvement binge and found these sites helpful. http://www.stumpynubs.com/dust.html

http://wynnenv.com/woodworking-filters/

I didn't do anything to the DC, I did upgrade my ambient air cleaner.

Good luck!

George

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Vince Welch

Time sure does go by. I realized that I got this unit over 12 years ago at least. The unit I have is the PSI unit I mentioned before and when I bought this unit I was not familiar with PSI and some things they are know to do but let me stay focused here. I was out in the shop today and I broke down my connectors and hosing to my dust extraction unit. Now I only have one 8-9 foot black flex hose running in a nearly straight line and the increase in suction is noticeable! I also cleaned the canister and was surprised as to how much fine dust just continued to fall in the bag below. I am sure doing this only helped increase the suction of the unit. I currently use 4" hoses. I did call and spoke to a rep from Oneida just to get some more info. I was pleased the unit he steered me too was the unit I looked at most carefully so at least I have a clue. Their hoses are 2-3 inches larger in diameter and he is suppose to provide me more info tomorrow. I do appreciate all the helpful comments and feedback folks. In the meantime, to celebrate St. Patrick's day I am lining out a Green flex sale through this weekend if anyone is interested. Thanks, Vince