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Practicing while you turn

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Practicing while you turn

john Lucas

I often tell new turners to do practice project that you never plan to finish. Just pick up a stick and turn beads and coves, or take a bowl blank out of cheap wood and turn it until it's gone practicing the starting cuts at the lip that always give you problems or practice that cut from lip to center, over and over.

Nobody does it. Or at least very few do. Well here's what I do. When I'm turning a project I practice on the areas that don't matter. OK in reality all areas matter but here's what I'm talking about. Last week or so I've been turning clocks out of different woods. I haven't turned those woods in a while. I turn the back first. Now most people would not care about the back but this is where I practice for the front. While I'm wasting away wood I will take a few light cuts to see what tool and technique will cut the cleanest on that wood. Or I might try a few experimental cuts. Maybe a new grind on a tool or different cuts with a Hunter tool or hollowing tool. Once I'm done playing I will have discovered a lot of things about that particular piece of wood. I can go ahead and finish the turning.

Now comes sanding. Again some people might not sand the back to the same level but here's where you learn what that wood needs. It also lets me play with my sanding technique. Maybe sanding in reverse helps, maybe not on this wood but I can experiment and see.

Now that your finished playing you can go to the front side and proceed with confidence because you've learned how to use a certain tool or other technique to get a really clean cut. You also know how and what grits to use for sanding. Did I mention finishing. I also test the finish on the back. I'd rather screw up the back than the front.

I might do the same on spindles. If I haven't turned beads in a while with the skew I will turn a few beads on an area that may be a cove. That way if I screw them up while practicing I'm going to cut the wood away at that point anyway.

Hope this helps someone. I still thing one of the best things you can do is turn a piece of scrap until it's a toothpick and toss it. You learn so much when your not afraid of ruining a piece.

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robo hippy

Yea, I just practice too.... I had a number of apple spindle blanks that I cut up for my 'Bandsaw Dust Ports Do Not Suck', so last week I was working on spindles... Skew chisel.... Used my Big Ugly on some spindles as well. Peeling cuts, and up on edge.. Interesting... Same difference, but different tools, I may have to try some finials with the Big Ugly. I will have a clip up maybe next week.

robo hippy

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John K Jordan

I agree, that has been the way I've always worked. I make finish cuts when I'm nowhere near the final profile. I practice skew techniques as I reduce the diameter. I try different tools and different grinds just to see how they work on this piece of wood in this situation.

Of course, it takes me four times as long as anyone else to finish anything.

JKJ

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Barry Irby

I tried to make up one of those cute phrases to live by, but "Every Piece is a Practice Piece for the Next Piece" doesn't exactly role off the tongue. Neither does EPIAPPFTNP.

I practice while I am turning too. On a different note, Richard Raffin said if you are making a matching set of things to stick to your method along the way. If you change your technique along the way it will show in the final set and they won't match. HMMM

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john Lucas

Barry that's what I call muscle memory. When your making duplicates or even duplicate details such as repetitive beads, I use the same tool and try to use the same body movements to cut the design. Then it's just a matter of doing the same thing over and over.

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Gbalock

Someone once told me each cut is practice for the next one.

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john Lucas

It is true that each cut is practice for the next one. However my point was you can practice special techniques or cutting shapes that will later be cut away. This kind of practice is really valuable.

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Wayne Kuhn

Every cut is a practice cut.

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Keith Tompkins

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Keith tompkins

John, I am often surprised that students will often begin to get a technique down pretty well during a class, but when they take a class some time later, they have reverted back to scraping, cutting the wrong grain direction, etc. practice? When I ask, the answer is usually they forgot, and went back. A lot of the work I post on WC is just practice, such as my finials. I practice to stay sharp, sometimes just turning a goblet to see how thin I can turn it, or how delicate I can turn a finial. It doesn't matter if I finish a project or blow it up. As far as I'm concerned, I'm still improving, and that won't happen without dedicated practice.

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Lyle Jamieson

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Lyle Jamieson

I find many students stop and admire every cut. Some stop to clear out shavings or dust, clean the flute after every cut before they go in for another cut. Doing the cuts that way prevents you from using the last cut to learn what worked and immediately connect to the next cut. Use what you learned from the last cut to do the next cut. Once you have that sweet spot going, hand on the tool rest, handle in the right orientation, lock that info into the memory banks and muscle memory. Leave the tool on the tool rest continuously, slide the tool back to the beginning of the cut and start a new one without and interruption. Register the bevel with the existing wood surface and proceed. The dust and shavings will fall away or fly away.

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Philip Duffy

So glad to hear you talk about practicing, John! Some masters of the violin practice 2 to 5 hours a day so why not all of us??? I like the time of quiet before breakfast to take a tool to the wood that I feel I have not used properly and let it run. Feels good, looks good and then when I am ready, time for coffee knowing that I am ready for that tool and others.

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I play the violin like Jack Benny 


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Chuck Seguin

Keith, when you visited Maine a few years ago you told us you make a goblet as a practice piece before you start the project. I have done that since that time. I call it my batting practice. I now tell my students to take the time to get comfortable with the lath, the tools and the techniques before you put that good wood on the lathe.

Fantastic advise. Thank you for helping to make me a better turner.

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Keith Tompkins

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Keith Tompkins

Thank you Chuck...you made my night!

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Jim Seyfried

That's really good Philip, I'm not ready for anything before my first cup of coffee! :)