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Green AO-Gold bar- Red Rouge stropping

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Green AO-Gold bar- Red Rouge stropping

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Green AO-Gold bar- Red Rouge stropping

john Lucas

Well that was a fun experiment. I took my Freshly sharpened Marples flat chisels and polished the edge (actually the whole bevel since I sharpened these with a flat bevel). I used a hard felt wheel. These were sharpened to 2000 grit. All three polished the edge to look like Chrome. I had small section of the very bottom of the bevel that wasn't sharpened to quite as high a grit because I changed the angle very slightly from what they were originally sharpened. Just for interest sake I polished this area. Without a doubt the Gold bar polished much faster and eliminated many of the smaller scratchess. The Green Aluminum Oxide bar and the red rouge appeared to polish the scratches and not remove them.

So the bottom line is, if you sharpen to a fine enough grit all 3 work just fine but the Gold bar works faster and appears to be more aggressive. I think this would be a good thing for honing turning tools that have been sharpened on grinding wheels and not sandpaper up to 2000 grit. The others probably work but tend to polish the grind marks and not level the surface (no they definitely work because I've used them for years). Stropping with whatever bar definitely improves the edge. Now how long that edge lasts vs how long it takes to do it is up to you.

I was re reading Leaonard Lee's book on sharpening and one thing stood out that is useful. If you skew the edge (think skewing a hand plane vs running it square over the board) it does 2 things. It improves the cut because effectively the ramp (the angle of the blade) is lower. It also improves the edge holding quality. To put it more simply. If your doing a paring cut or maybe a parting cut it will dull the edge the fastest and leave the poorest cut quality. If you swing the skew around to an angle like most of us do for a planing cut the cut quality will improve and the edge will stay sharp longer.

An article in Woodturning magazine years ago proved that a sharper edge will hold an edge longer because it takes longer for those peaks to wear down to the point we consider it dull. So if you strop and edge and try to use skewed cutting angles you will get the most out of your tools both in how long the edge stays sharp and how clean the cuts will be.

Re: Green AO-Gold bar- Red Rouge stropping

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Re: Green AO-Gold bar- Red Rouge stropping

Barry Irby

Hmmm? Just wondering.....

It took me a while to under stand that polishing the flat side of the chisel was necessary because you were "exposing" that smooth surface as one facet of a truly sharp edge. (OK, I'm a little slow)

If Stropping an edge leads to rounding over the edge and dubbing it can you only strop or polish one side and then sharpen to that surface? (I'm not making this very clear, but I am thinking of things that get stropped on both sides, like a razor or carving tool.)

And how about continuing on a hard surface like cast iron or glass with the gold stick or rouge? Does that work as a strop or is there something necessary abut the softer surface?

Re: Green AO-Gold bar- Red Rouge stropping

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Re: Green AO-Gold bar- Red Rouge stropping

john Lucas

BArry I have always stropped both sides but I try very very hard not to round over the flat side of chisels and plane irons. I am currently switching to a hard felt wheel for my stopping to try and reduce any round over. I'm not really sure how serious rounding over the edge is. It's probably very subtle. I think the same thing would be true for polishing the flute of a gouge. You want to do it without rounding over the cutting edge.

I just re read Alan Lacers article on sharpening gouges and skews. He hones with a 600 grit diamond hone. He says that other mediums don't work very well on the harder steels which is why some people say that they don't get as sharp as carbon steel. I find they do strop well with the proper abrasive, Green Aluminum Oxide, Red Rouge, and The Gold bars work well.

But back to your original question. If you don't strop both sides you aren't getting the edge you could.

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Red Rouge

Jorge Castañeda

Oxymoron name, red = rouge

it is meant to shine silver, so it will not be hard enough for steel.

Re: Green AO-Gold bar- Red Rouge stropping

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Re: Red Rouge

John Veerkamp

oxymoron or redundant and repetitive?