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A question for you paint experts

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A question for you paint experts

john lucas

I need to paint some wood so there's not grain or summer winter wood showing. In other words I don't want it to look like wood. I am using a silver or chrome paint and/or silver leaf. What kind of sealer do you use. I'm still experimenting with the type of wood. for this project I think picking the type of wood will help 100% but I'm interested in how you would seal the more inexpensive woods such as poplar or cherry. Right now the paints tend to go into the end grain or more absorbent areas of wood and it takes many coats of whatever to seal it to the point you can spray a glossy paint over it and actually get gloss.

I've been playing with Gesso, thinned lacquer, sanding sealer and wood condtioner. Non seem to work on a wood like Osage Orange. You still see the summer winter wood changes. On porous woods I have used grain filler but I still have the problem of end grain absorbing more or on woods like pine the summer wood just absorbs the paint and the winter wood takes it so it still looks like wood.

Milk paint works but on this project I can't use milk paint.

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John K Jordan

How about sheet rock joint compound? Can easily be sanded to perfection and takes paint well.

JKJ

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John Kaner

KILZ, comes in water based and oil based. You can paint glass bottles with KILZ and then do other techniques. Like Gesso, it gives a clean slate.... Also comes in spray cans....

Thinned Shellac has worked for me to limit end grain darkening. I guess it works same way as as drying with Anchorseal. Limits the straw effect of sucking up the finish...

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John C Lucas

Drywall mud makes a good grain filled but doesn't seal wood. I've used it several times before I. Various things

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Joe Meirhaeghe

John I've had a lot of success with painting Hard Maple. I usually seal the wood with one coat of thinned Varnish, sand with 600 grit apply one or two more coats of full strength varnish sanded between each coat with 600 grit. Then I air brush Golden Brand acrylic paint's. The Golden acrylics will cover very well over a properly sealed surface.

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John C Lucas

I've used Gesso and Kilz. Works if you can send it but in this case I can't. I can paint I can paint on something really thin. I didn't have shellac today but did try sending sealed,wood conditioner and thinned lacquer which usually do the same thing

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Clint Searl

Flat acrylic wall paint (Behr)


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Clifton C

John,

I use "Liquitex modeling paste gel medium 5508" as a prep base prior to leafing. But if you cannot sand I don't know if squeegeeing (?) it on would work.

It sands great, I usually go to 600, The grain (grit) of this stuff is super fine, actually marble dust and super hard.

cc


Liquitex

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NormKnoxville

John, if your up for experimenting, try auto body spot putty for the end grain. Maybe even the project body. I had good luck covering exposed end grain years ago with putty then dewaxed shellac prior to painting. Final finish was automotive enamel.

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John Kaner

Didn't Wood Magazine do cabinets that way for a garage shop? They used bondo and then automotive paint. The cabinet plywood looked like metal, no wood grain visible. They were like candy apple red...

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Leo Cuellar

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Leo Cuellar

I'm not sure what you're doing, John, but would something like this work? I'm not sure how smooth the final surface would be though, it's been a very long time since I've done any body work.

http://www.autobodydepot.com/TRE-9183_3.html?gclid=Cj0KEQiAzai0BRCs2Yydo8yptuIBEiQAN3_lFhAor9i2IFmn3Dna1beLfVhXKgGgtDydXzX8HPm4u30aAiJI8P8HAQ#.Vot2koT-2Ho

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AquaCoat

Jake Niedling

John - Here in Knoxville, several members of the woodworking guild and Smokey Mountain woodturners have used a product called AquaCoat. It is a water based wood grain filler. It is the consistency of vaseline but not as sticky. They claim it does a great job of filling in the pores and leveling the surface. It is easy to use, just wipe & rub it on with a paper towel and wipe off any excess. You might want to go online and check it out. The Woodcraft Store here in Knoxville order some for us. I have a jar, if you want to try it.

Jake

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Roy Girolami

I have used Rustoleum paint for cabinets and such. You can buy the paint in cans and spray, so I would use a brush and do a couple coats (after priming) sand and then spray the final top coat.

Roy

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Lots of these methods work

john lucas

I have tried a lot over the years and they all work if you can sand afterwords. The problem with this project is I won't be able to sand into the more details areas of the carving and somehow need to cover it with something that can be silver leafed afterwords without showing the wood grain, pores, or texture through it. Parts of it will be spray painted with something almost Chrome like so any texture will show through.

I may be able to solve most of the problem if I can find the right wood. Tried Dogwood, Ivorywood, and Mara last night. The Mara might be a possibility. I do have some Blackwood and Cocobolo that might work but really hate to use that wood for this if I can find something else.

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Hal Taylor

John, try Bradford pear, a good close grain wood.

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john lucas

That's my next attempt. I was putting it off because I just changed blades on the bandsaw and will have to go back to the 1/2" blade to cut the blanks. Then put the 1/4" back on. Oh well. We do what we gotta do.