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help for a beginner

ken chase

>Are there expert turners who use dry hardwood?

I'm just starting and don't think I have the patience to work with green wood and wait for

months to complete a bowl. If I glue a few layers of hardwood together for a square blank should the end grain be on the outside and the cross grain be inside the bowl? I tried the other way and the result was a wipeout. I'm using a 12" Sears I bought second hand. If I enjoy turning as I expect I will move up to a serious lathe like a Vega. Any advice I can get will be greatly appreciated

Ken Chase (Palm Desert CA)

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Carole in VA

>Ken, I am a beginner too and these guys and gals will be more than willing to help out. I asked the same question about gluing up the other day and the answer was yes, you can. Be sure you have good surfaces so you get a good joint. About the grain, I would make the block so that when mounted on your face plate the grain runs perpendicular to the bed. At least that's what I did. Hollowing end grain on dry wood is hard for me, but as I said, I am a rank beginner too! Good luck!

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Green wood is the way to go to learn. *LINK*

Dave Smith, Longview, WA

>Hi Ken,

Turning green wood is fun and very forgiving when you have a catch. Check out the Alcohol Drying Process to dry your bowls in a couple weeks. See link below. By then you should have the tool presentation down pat. The dry roughed out bowls have far less wood to remove to finish turn them. Remember that sharp tools make the job easier and more pleasant.

Good luck.

Dave Smith

Processing some fresh elm in Longview, WA.


Alcohol soaking method for drying bowls

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Ron in Drums PA

>As Dave says green is the way to go.

I've turned dry 8/4 and 10/4 stock into bowls

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MikeinCapeMay

>It's much easier to learn on green wood and it's also a pleasure to turn. Dave's alcohol drying method works! Turn green and use the alky if you don't want to seal and wait.

You can also try turning some green wood quite thin and let it go, see how it warps, you may get some interesting artsy stuff.

Besides turning green for bowls, I do boxes and currently I'm turning dry 12/4 and 16/4, it's mounted in a spindle orientation and I'm hollowing end grain. I also turn a lot of stoppers, oriented the same as boxes, the stock is 6/4 to 8/4 dry. When I do glue ups for that stuff I have the grain oriented the same direction for each species and mounted as I described.

There are lots of truners here way more accomplished than me and I'm sure they'll give you some great advise.

You may also want to take a look at Bill Grumbine's website, there's lots of good info there and I suggest you consider purchasing his video. I've spent time with Bill on several occasions over the past few years and learned a lot.

Mike


Bill Grumbine

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ken chase

>Thanks to all who responded to my request for help.

I have no idea where to get green timber for use on the lathe. I live in Palm Desert CA. Any suggestions will be appreciated. I don't have a chain saw and have never used one. I doubt there are any saw mills or groves of trees anywhere near here.

Ken

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MikeinCapeMay

>Look in the telephone book for arborists, tree surgeons, tree removal companies, local town dump, nurseries, sites where they are clearing for construction. A chainsaw and bandsaw are near necessities.

Also, there are companies that sell green turning stock, do a google and also try woodfinder on this website.

Mike

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Take a one day class

TD

>Ken, a one day class would be unbelievably helpful to you. Try to find someone in your area that can get you started off correctly and safely; everything else then is downhill.

TD

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John Lucas

>Ken

There are lots of things you can turn with dry wood. I started off making segmented bowls because all my skills and tools were geared toward flat work. Then I started making platters out of flat dry wood. Now I make a lot of hand mirrors.

There are several good books on projects for the mini lathe. Many of them are made from dry wood. Nick Cook makes wine stoppers, Bonnie Klein makes spinning tops. There are a lot of big name turners making things with dry wood.

Try to get some instructions on lathe use and then just use your imagination. Sometimes I think I was better of when I didn't know that you couldn't do that technique with that tool. I figured out a way to do it anyway. It's too easy to get lulled into the concept of needing a special tool, chuck etc to make something. There is always another way to do something.

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Dave Shombert

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Dave Shombert

>Ken -

Another approach that hasn't been mentioned is this: go to Craft Supplies website (link below) and take a look at their bowl blanks. Some of their blanks are pretty inexpensive - the white ash, for instance. It may still be too wet to turn when you get it, or it may not. But it definitely won't be green. If you do have to rough it out and wait for it to dry some, at least you probably won't have to wait months.

There are other places that sell bowl blanks - Packard Woodworks, Woodcraft, West Penn Hardwoods. All have websites. Anything you get from West Penn is kiln dried, and everything I've ever bought from Woodcraft was dry and ready to go when I got it.

Turning green wood is easier in many ways and it's something that everyone should experience at some point, but you can still learn a lot and make some nice pieces by buying prepared blanks.

Dave Shombert

Elkins, WV


http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com

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John Lucas

>Ken

I must have been too tired last night. I started turning green wood by using a bow saw. It wasn't that big a deal and was quite aerobic. It was hard to get an accurate cut because the blade would wonder but I did a lot of bowls that way. I would split the wood with a sledge and wedge.

Straight grained woods worked well but curly grain woods split unevenly. Then I learned a technique where you turn a large double bowl or ball out of the log with the pith running from headstock to tailstock. Picture two bowls facing each other with open ends toward each other.

After you've rough turned this ball, rotate it on the lathe 90 degrees so the pith now runs perpendicular to the ways. Align it carefully so that it rotates as close to centered as you can. Now part through the middle (the pith)using your parting tool. Now you have two bowl blanks with side grain orientation and you've removed the pith which causes a lot of problems.

Paul Ferrel of Kentucky taught us that and it really made it easy to turn before I had a chainsaw.

Another alternative is to get an electric chainsaw. They are cheap. The cheap ones don't hold up as well but will get you buy when turning smaller stuff. You can't go out in the woods and cut up logs unless you have a really really long extension cord but it does allow you to resize anything you can drag home.

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Soap Soak for easier turning

Tim conlon

>Tell the tree men you will give them a place to dump for free. They will bring you more than enough wood.

I came across this link that describes the technique of soaking the turning blank in a solution of water and dish detergent. Check it out

http://www.woodcraft.com/articles.aspx?articleid=313

http://groups.msn.com/WorldofWoodturners/processinggreentimber.msnw

Soap in Your Bowl

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By: Ernie Conover

From: Woodcraft

Page 1 of 1

A process discovered by Hawaiian woodturner Ron Kent often

allows better turning of bowls from green wood. Specifically,

soaking rough turned bowls in a simple solution of one-sixth

concentrated dishwashing detergent greatly aids in turning,

reducing tear out from the tools and greatly reducing checking

in the final drying.

The soap process does not really use soap at all: instead dish

detergent is what works, but ‘detergent bowls’ does not

sound as cool. The detergent process is the subject of much

discussion among Internet groups and was the subject of an

article in the Spring 2002 issue of the American Association of

Woodturner’s Journal by Ron Kent and Phil Wall. (AAW is a

worthwhile organization for anyone interested in woodturning.

Their Journal, which comes four times a year, is worth the price

of admission. To learn more go to www.woodturner.org/. To read

Ron’s interesting description of how he discovered the process

please go to his website at www.ronkent.com/ and click on the

“Techniques” tab.

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Doug Trembath

>Ken, contact Steve Dunn at the link below. It'd a bit of a drive, but it'll probably be worth it. He's fairly inexpensive, and has instruction from many of the top turners in the world. Another option is the San Diego Woodturning Center. Google them for info. In Carlsbad is An Exotic Hardwood, where you can buy woods from all over the world. Pricey, but you can also get some really good deals sometimes.

Steve's link is:

www.lawoodturning.com

Let us know how it all "turns" out...

Doug Trembath

Studio in the Woods

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ken chase

>Doug:

Thanks. I've called the school and will

seriously consider taking a two day lesson.

It's about equal distance from where I live

to get to Carlsbad or Gardena. Which do you

think would a more economical choice for some green

blanks to practice with?

Appreciate the imput

Ken

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Doug Trembath

>Well, Ken, if you want good blanks at a lower price, go to Gardena. Exotics at Carlsbad are also good. I'd take a couple of trips, and see for myself, but I'd recommend Gardena first.

Doug Trembath

Studio in the Woods

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