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Propane - does it work?

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Propane - does it work?

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Propane - does it work?

Ron in Drums PA

>When I first heard about using propane to prevent finishes from curing it sparked my interest. I�m not trying to set myself up as an expert, but I just like to share my experiences.

Back in July 04, I was wiping on my favorite finish, varnish and mineral spirits, on a desk and bookcase I was finishing up when I read on this list about propane. I decided to experiment a little to see what happens.

I had four jars, in two of them I poured about an inch of finish. One I gave a squirt of propane, the other I did not. Next, I cut in half the rag I was using to wipe on the finish and inserted each half into its own jar. Once again in one I gave a squirt of propane in only one jar.

I made sure the lids where nice and tight and forgot about them for a month. I didn�t open the jars with just the finish, but I could see it was still liquid when I moved the jar. But when I opened up the jars with the rag and noticed that the one that did not have propane was very stiff while the other with the propane was just as moist as when I inserted the rag.

Late September 04, I took a look at the jars with the finish. I noticed immediately that the jar that did not have propane that the finish skinned over. While the jar with propane, the finish did not skin over.

Today (February 05) I checked on the jar and still no skin. I�d like to note that this jar has never been opened.

I think the key here is, if you are taking a can of finish, opening it up and using it every couple of days, you are introducing oxygen, which will come in contact with the finish causing it to polymerize over time, regardless if you are squirting propane after each use. You may slow down the process a little but you will not stop it.

But so far it seems, that over a longer period of time (seven months and counting) if the jar stays closed and is not used, using propane does seem to have a desirable effect of helping the finish not to skin over.

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Brad Vietje

Re: Propane - Don't let it SPARK your interest !

Brad Vietje

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Carole in VA

>This is a joke, right? If not, IMHO it's totally insane!

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Why?

Peter Teubel

>Its simply a gas that displaces the oxygen in the jar. I used to do this myself, but I found I never had a can of finish of the shelf for more than a couple weeks before it was used up (production, you know...) so I don't bother anymore. Propane, butane, methane (don't go there...); or if flammable gasses make you nervous, use argon, helium, whatever.

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Leo Van Der Loo

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Leo Van Der Loo

>Carol Propane and butane and some more gasses are heavier than air and by using it like a blanket in a bottle you keep the air from contacting the finish (in this case) and it will slow down if not eliminate the curing of the finish, it is however very volatile.

I think it is not worth to take chances like that for a few dollars, also you would have to put new gas on top every time you pour out the finish, the gas pours out first.

Keeping your container full and closed so there is no or very little air in contact with your finish is the way to go as far as I am concerned, the way a friend of mine does that is to pour finish in a bottle, it has a small screw on cap, if he has used some on a turning he grabs his water bottle, (that's what he drinks usually) and fills up his finish bottle to the top and closes it, he has done this like this for 35 years he says, anyway a lot longer than I know him, and has never had a problem doing it that way.

Have fun and take care

Leo V

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Jesper, Denmark

Nitpicking........

Jesper, Denmark

>While it is correct that propane is heavier than air, gases quickly equilibrate and the concentration of the various components mix throughout the vapor space above the liquid.

The function of the propane is to displace the air - and the oxygen in the air so that the finish does not cure in the jar.

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Ron in Drums PA

>Carol

The first time I heard of this method I thought the same thing. But then it was pointed out to me that all the partly used finishes that are typically found in a woodworking shop is allot more dangerous and flammable then one small squirt of propane.

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Bill Howatt

>Yep, just consider how much spews out when you are trying to get the sparking gizmo to make a spark if you are doing some soldering or whatever. (Unless you have the fancy self-igniting type.)

Bill

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