Large roughing gauge

Re: Large roughing gauge

Charles Bjorgen

>I bought my Crown HHS 1-1/4" roughing gouge from Highland Hardware. Current price is $48.99 on the HH web site.

Re: Large roughing gauge

Wood Spinner

>Ruth

I have a 1 1/4 Woodworker Supply Gouge. List 89.00 I will ship to you for $ 50.00. I just never us a large gouge. May have been sharpened one time.

Bill in Casas Grande, AZ.

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Ruth in S.Cal

>Thanks Charles, I have never heard of HH so that's a good link. Bill, it's a deal. If you can take CC let me know and I can call you with the number, failing that, send me your address and I will put a cheque in the mail.

THANKS!!!!

Re: Large roughing gauge

Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>Ruth,

I am hoping that Lynn will chime in here, but...

The problem with most all roughing gouges is that they are forged from a flat piece of steel. As a result, the tang is only a thick as the wall thickness of the gouge. Roughing gouges typically take a bit of a beating, if can fail at the tang. Check out the P&N Rouging Gouge at Lee Valley. It is machined from solid stock, and is a VERY roubust Roughing Gouge.

Mark

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Ruth in S.Cal

>Mike, are you saying that I would be better off buying a P&N than buying Bill's?

Re: Large roughing gouge

Doug Leite

>Ruth, do you do spindle, or end grain turning? Roughing gouges are only for spindle or end grain work,not side grain work. That said, I have a P&N gouge specifically for the reason previously mentioned by Mark. I've seen many guys bend/break the tang where it enters the handle. Nevertheless, they take down square stock in a hurry.

Aloha

Doug

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Ruth in S.Cal

>Dough, I don't do any spindle work, but I went home to BC and brought down some of my huge maple stock. This is large diameter and I need to clean off bark and get it round quickly. I wasn't able to bring my band saw down to So. Cal and my chain saw does as much as it can.....but doesn't do the rounding.

I want a large roughing gauge to take the stock down nice and quick..........this will do teh trick.

thanks for everybody's input....or is the 'everbodies'?

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Ruth in S.Cal

>Sorry Doug! it's the shot of single malt that's to blame.....!

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MikeinCapeMay

>Hi Ruth,

I too like the and own several P&N tools with plans to add more. Great quality at a very good price. If you're not doing that much spindle work perhaps you don't need the mass of the P&N however a good quality tool can last a lifetime.

I fyou want to look at some P&N tools, hit the link below for Lee Valley, to my knowledge they have the best price and possibly the largest selection. All P&N tools come unhandled....that gives you the opportunity for more spindle practice!

As I mentioned I want to add more P&N tools which is why I also save money and drink Famous Grouse rather than single malt. Sure not a single malt but it's still the whiskey of the Highlands and much better than the run of the mill blends that everyone sees.


P&N at Lee Valley

Re: Large roughing gauge

john Lucas

>Ruth

I use a 5/8 bowl gouge to rough and remove bark especially on pieces that are out of round. I put a large handle on it. I think it beats using rough out gouge and the shaft is thick so it takes a beating without breaking. I only use my rough out gouge for spindle turning. I bought one of the 1 1/4 rough out gouges but only use it for large spindles. I still prefer my 3/4 for most spindle work.

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MikeinCapeMay

>I use a similar tool for roughing bowls. I have a P&N 5/8" Supa-gouge. I also put a large handle on it. However I should have made a handle with more mass, it's long and provides wonderful leverage but it could stand to be a bit beefier. I have a purpleheart spindle that I've been eyeballing as a tool handle and when I get around to it.......

For spindles I have 3/4" and 1 1/4" roughing gouges, both are Crown tools. Nothing outstanding about them one way or the other, they serve their purpose and actually don't get a lot of use.

Re: Large roughing gauge

Mark Kauder. Phenix City, AL

>Ruth,

Roughing gouges are specifically for spindle turning. To rough out bowls, get one of the large bowl gouges offered by P&N.

Mark

why specifically for spindle work?

Ruth in S.Cal

>Thanks for all the responses...I have a question or two though. This is by no means meant to be cantankerous, just mulling this further:

Why is the large roughing gouge specifically for spindle work? I look at it as a nice heavy substantial tool for doing some good rough work, taking stock down to the round quickly and efficiently. Does it really make a difference what it was designed for and what it is used for, especially in light of the many threads we have on making one's own tools?

Re: why specifically for spindle work?

Doug Leite

>Ruth,

Something about the shape of roughing gouges makes them unfit for work mounted with the grain running perpendicular to the spindle centerline, or bowl orientation, or side grain mounted. I have tried with my 1 1/4" P&N and also my 1 3/4" Henry Taylor shallow spindle gouge, and they both just tear off chunks of the wood. What seems to happen, is that when the endgrain part of the log approaches the cutting edge, the wood just lifts off of itself and a large chunk separates causing an enormous catch, or a large piece of the bowl blank goes flying, if the whole blank doesn't become detatched and takes flight. Now, when the same piece of log is mounted with the grain running parallel to the spindle centerline, or mounted endgrain as is the common reference, there is no endgrain in the cutting plane as all of the grain runs lengthwise. When turning endgrain, I have difficulty choosing between the 2 previously mentioned tools. When I turn in bowl orientation, which is 80% of the time, I use the largest bowl gouge practical for the side of the piece of log. One of my favorites is my 5/8" Henry taylor super flute gouge or a 1/2 bowl gouge from Glaser. One last thought, look at the latest Craft Supply catalog, along the listing of every roughing gouge that they sell is the disclaimer "not for use on bowls". There must be a reason.

Aloha

Doug

Re: why specifically for spindle work?

Ruth in S.Cal

>Thanks for the detailed explanation Doug, I get it now. I will let Bill know I don't need his gouge so if anyone else wants to take him up on his offer they can.

I had always wondered what the warnings were!!

Thanks again everybody, I will order the P&N.

Ruth

Re: why specifically for spindle work?

Wood Spinner

>Hey Ruth

Now I know why I never use it. No problem I would not buy it either.

Bill |:-}}

Re: why specifically for spindle work?

Joe Herrmann

>Ruth:

It's a great tool for roughing out spindle blanks but, like Doug said, you never want to use it on face grain bowl blanks for the very reasons he stated. You can always tell when someone has used on for faceplate turning because it is usually bent. ;-)

Joe