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Chemical handling, storage, and personal safety

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Chemical handling, storage, and personal safety

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Chemical handling, storage, and personal safety

Russ Fairfield

>I recently posted a message about the possible side effects of using alcohol. The responses on this forum mostly wrote it off as humor, but there were several derisive personal e-mails, and one that accused me of being one of those "left wing environmentalist do-gooder cranks" (their words).

The reason for the original message was the same reason for this one. There have been messages about using alcohol, and there are several messages posted about going into this as a 55-gallon gallon enterpeise, and I remember somebody bragging that they had just purchased four (4) drums of alcohol. Following another thread, I can just see someone running out and trying to make 50 gallons a week of diesel fuel, based on nothing more than a couple messages that were posted here. And, I just posted a message about boiling alcohol to make a wood dye.

I'm sorry folks, but I will still issue a word of caution.

Think about what you are doing before getting into some of these things. Don't do them if you don't understand the safety issues around storing and handling volatile chemicals like alcohol.

To all those who thought it humorous, there is a real problem with storing a 55-gallon drum of alcohol, or anything else, in your garage. If your personal safety doesn't concern you; then read the fine print in your home insurance policy, and pay extra close attention to the clause about "contributory negligence". Talk to your insurance agent for a better definition. I don't know of any insurance underwriter who would not consider a 55-gallon drum of alcohol as "contributary negligence" and reason enough to deny an insurance claim for fire damage. Also get a definition on what is considered a "reasonable and prudent" quantitity of a volatile chemical. I know of no underwriter or jurisdiction in the US who would consider a 55-gallon drum of alcohol in the garage as "reasonable and prudent".

As for the 5000-gallon and the law enforcement agencies - I don't know about where you live, but the purchase of a 55-gallon of alcohol of any kind around here will get you a visit from the Sheriff to see what you are up to.

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Wise words indeed. Thanks Russ!

Spence in Rhode Island

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dinyar chavda

>I hope that the person who accused you of being a ""left wing environmentalist do-gooder cranks" never has a reason to rue his words.

Ignore those who follow the dictum of putting their mouths in gear, while leaving their brains in neutral. There are enough of us who have not thought of the points you raise, so please keep raising them.

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JL work

>Hazardous chemicals are hazardous. You are not one of the "left wing environmentalist do-gooder cranks" - you are prudent.

Pop quiz time

How many of you out there know what a MSDS is? How many have actually read an MSDS for the products that they use?

How many have read their insurance policy?

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Thanks for Reminding Us Russ

Barbara Gill, Remlik VA

>It is hard for me to imagine someone actually sending that kind of e-mail. I think someone needs to get a grip.

I have ordered 2 5-gal pails of alcohol. Hmmmm I wonder if I will be getting a visit? I plan to store them outside away from our house.

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John Lucas

>JL

It's my job to keep track of the MSDS for each chemical we use in the photo lab. It reminds me of a story. My ex decided to make a volcano for her science class using my can of Great Stuff foam. She squirted the foam out on pan and when it started to "grow" it started to sag. Of course she used her hands to shape it. Then it started to harden and she couldn't move her hands. She also couldn't get it off with any chemical I had. I asked her is she read the can where it says don't get on your hands. She didn't of course and that's my point along with Russ's point. Read about the chemicals and make an educated choice about how you handle them. I apologize for not following all the rules especially about dust control but I've read all the issues and make my choices based on what I can do in my shop.

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Ron in Drums PA

>Here is something to consider if you are storing flamable liquids.


safety cans

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To Russ and all others.

Duane C.Leach

>I enjoy reading the ideas and opinions of others. It is a whole world of experiencs and knowledge to draw from. I consider this forum a great place to expand my knowledge in all aspects of turning. Some of the opinions or ideas found here I agree with and some I disagree with. Sometimes I think wow why didn't I think of that. Sometimes I don't understand the idea or maybe the reason behind it.

One thing I know for sure Russ. I would never privately email someone to deliberately insult them in any way. Those who do reveal how cowardly they realy are....Agree or dis agree, that is my opinion

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Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>To All Readers Here -

I say this to kid Russ every now and then, But betting that Russ is wrong on most any subject that he posts about, is a losing proposition.

The reason that I say that, is from experience, I can tell you, I have yet to find Russ in error on any factual statement he posts, and any Opinion that he posts is well grounded in his extensive experience.

When I first started on Woodcentral a couple of years ago, I would read something that Russ posted and thing "he is just flat wrong, 'cus XXX says he does it another way". In every case, I have eventually been proved wrong - Russ is right.

He does not post frivolus messages.

Just my opinion.

Mark

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JamieDonaldson

>Russ- Go,man, go!! DNA doesn't transfer common sense, a rather rare commodity these days!!

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dinyar chavda

>Don't you just love oxymorons, Jamie! Common sense is right up there with the various House Finance Oversight Committees.

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JamieDonaldson

>And I was in military intelligence!

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dinyar chavda

>I did remember that, which is why I did not mention it. :-) Although I must say that the people I've known who were in the military are some really smart people---was visiting with one of them today--he's one of the guys who was never officially in Vietnam.