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DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pics)

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DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pics)

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DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pics)

Garrett in Victoria

>A few years ago I came across an article on something called the �Longworth chuck� � background info at the end of this post - and resolved to make one because the idea of a self contained scrolling set of Cole Jaws was just to appealing to resist. I finally got around to it today, and was surprised at how simple it is. The cost was a couple of pieces of scrap and $5 for 4 crutch tips - buy rubber not vinyl -and 4 �� x 2 �� machine screws and a couple of hours in the shop.

However, it�s important to do things in the right order. Believe me.

The first step is to measure the distance between the centre of the headstock and the bed. Obviously, that is the largest radius your lathe can manage unless you turn outboard. (NOTE: for an outboard rig the routed curves must go in the OPPOSITE direction from those described here.)

In my case, the lathe swings 8�, so my chuck is 16� in diameter. I found a couple of suitable pieces, �� MDF for the back, and �� Baltic Birch for the front,


and the bandsaw circle jig quickly turned them into disks.



Time to build. First, mount a faceplate on the back disk. It�s important to do this now, because everything after this revolves around the centrepoint, literally and figuratively. You will notice 2 things in the following photo. First, that I mounted my �faceplate� after routing, a mistake that wasted a lot of time to get it centred exactly. Second, that it�s obviously a nut rather than a faceplate. Some time ago, I found a source for some 1 1/4� x 8 TPI nuts and bought a bunch, because although it�s a standard headstock thread, it�s an unusual size in fasteners. (Pipe thread is 1 � x 7.) I�ve been using them in various ways to make faceplates and vacuum chucks, and it works very nicely in this application, too.


Choose the poorer face of the front disk, and find or make a big compass. Draw three circles. The smallest is the diameter of your faceplate plus a bit. The largest is about 1� in from the outer edge of the disk, and the middle is, in fact, centred between the first two. Draw perpendicular lines through the centre.


Carefully dimple the intersections of the perpendiculars with the outer ring and use the dimples to centre your compass to draw arcs from the outer ring to the tangent of the inner ring. (These arcs will ensure you make no mistakes while routing.)


Tack the two disks together, being careful to stay away from the arcs, and mount them in a vise. If you haven�t already got one, make a circle cutting base for your router. Drill the dimpled centre points to accept whatever you use as a pin - mine is just a small finishing nail - and carefully rout the 4 arcs through both disks. (MDF makes a LOT of dust!) I made a circle-cutting base out of another scrap of �� Baltic Birch, and made the interior hole 3� in diameter to ensure good vision since all start and stop points are done by eye. The best way to start a cut is to be an inch or so away from an end point, plunge the bit into the work, back up to the start point and then move forward to the end point. With a solid carbide up spiral bit, only 2 passes were required to go through both disks (1�).



The result will look something like this:


Now drill some �� finger holes around the perimeter of the disk sandwich.


Before separating the disks, mount the sandwich on the lathe, true up the edge, and use some sandpaper to ease the sharp corners. Then draw a registration line across the edges of both disks so you can line them up again later.

Use a drill chuck in the tailstock to drill a small hole through the exact centre of both disks. Separate the disks and remove the front disk. If necessary, this is a good time to true up the face of the back disk.

Take a #10 1� round head screw, preferably with an unthreaded shoulder, and enlarge the centre hole in the front disk so that the screw can just pass through and the disk can rotate on the shoulder of the screw. Enlarge the centre hole in the back disk to the inside diameter of the screw�s thread.

Now, REVERSE the front disk so that the routed arcs cross each other and drive the screw into the centre holes. Back off just enough to allow the front disk to rotate.

Make the holders. I turned a piece of dowel to 5/8� d, cut it to length to fit inside each cane tip, and drilled �� holes lengthwise through the top of the tip and the dowel. Wing nuts and washers on the back make for quick and easy adjustment.

In the photo below, I�ve inserted the bowl holders. When the nuts are loose, the front disk rotates very easily and synchronizes the movement of the 4 holders from the innermost position to the outermost with no effort at all, and can be snugged up at any point to make the whole unit very secure.


In use, it�s quite flexible for big (12� bowl) and small (3.5� hollow form).




And, no more having to mount and dismount 8 jaws on my Super Nova 2 every time I want to reverse a bowl that I cannot vacuum chuck.

A couple of closing comments:

1) Be very, very careful of the spinning bowl holders on the front and the wing nuts on the back. They hurt. A lot.

2) The chuck works quite well, but with only 4 holders it isn�t designed for heavy side pressure, so take it easy.

3) Having made this one, I intend to make two more, one about 10� in diameter for small work, and another 16� the same size as this one. The smaller will just be a miniature of the one displayed here except that I�ll use rubber buttons as holders rather than the cane tips fro much better access to the workpiece. For the larger chuck, however, I�ll make the smallest circle about 5� or 6� in diameter, because a larger inner circle will enable me to have 6 or even 8 arcs and holders offering far better security. And anyway, as the photo shows, providing for such small bowls on so big a disk is awkward if not plain silly. and, finally,

4) Mr. Leslie Longworth of Australia invented this chuck in the late 1980's and published only the first of a two part an article on it before he died soon after. More info is available at http://www.fholder.com/Woodturning/chuck.htm, including that from which I made the version above.

Cheers, Garrett

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi

EagleS.C.

>That looks neat, and as you say simple(?)

I wish I knew more about bowl turning so I could ask intelligent questions,

If this is one of those forehead slappers I apologize,but don't the rubber "holders"

get in the way?

I went to the source of the article you posted and there is a picture with a finished bowl mounted.

How do you work the outer edge of the bowl with the tips mounted?

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi

Jim R

>This "chuck" is designed primarily to let you get to the bottom of a bowl after it is turned in order to shape the bottom for a rim or to do a concave surface, etc.

Garret, Wouldn't a small faceplate work for this set-up? It appears that diameter of whatever "faceplate" is used determines the min. diameter of what the chuck would accomodate- is that correct?

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi

Garrett in Victoria

>Yes, you're correct, and a faceplate would provide more support against heavy pressure.

I used the nut because I have a supply of them, they're inexpensive, and I can leave it permananently mounted. I also have some heavy 3" d washers that I attach to the nuts to make facceplates, and I probably should have used one on this rig. However, as noted in the comments, I made a mis-judgment in trying for a one-size fits all approach, and left the washer off in order to be able to have the jaws close as small as possible.

Cheers, Garrett

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi

Bill L.

>Dear Garrett

Your posting of the versatile chuck is an ingenious design . I have a Talon Chuck and they are not cheap enough to have one for each occasion. A few questions - is the solid carbide up spiral bit 1/4 inch diameter ? And the rubber buttons or crutch tips - can one get these at the local Home Depot or Lowes ? Are the 3/4 holes an aid in securing the turning to the chuck ? Your pictures were great and kept my mind from " fuzzing over " about lack of details . Thanks ! Bill L.

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DWFII

>Garrett,

First, thanks for posting this. I wonder if it's possible to post this somewhere in pdf format so that the whole article can be downloaded...pics and all.

Second, I'm a rank greenhorn so maybe this suggestion is a bit "off the wall" but considering that a faceplate limits how far the chuck can be closed down, and considering that not many folks will have access to 1-8 nuts, why couldn't a piece of hard, dense wood--like lignam vitae or even osage orange--be tapped and glued to the back instead of a faceplate?

DWFII

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi

DWFII

>Not having a bandsaw (no room) or a router, I would pay someone to make one of these for my new Jet 1014. I got an Axminster 3" key chuck for Christmas but I called and I was told that the 10" Cole jaws wouldn't fit on the Jet. So, I'm kind of at a loss for a way to mount bowls to finish off the bottom.

Any takers? Contact me in private email

DWFII

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DFWII

Garrett in Victoria

>I'll have the posting put up in the Articles & Reviews Department asap. However, you can save it with the photos right away simply by clicking on File, then Save As, or clicking on ctrl-A, copy, and then saving to a Wordpad or Word File.

As to tapping a dense wooden block for the nut, I see no problem, but I'd probably want to limit the diameter of the disks.

Cheers, Garrett

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Bill L.

Garrett in Victoria

>The router bit is 1/4". Not necessary to use a carbide spiral bit, but I have a couple, so...

The rubber cane tips are available in most hardware stores, but if you can get them, I think test tube stoppers would be even better.

The 3/4 inch holes, especially in the back disk, simply provide a purchase point for a finger to rotate the disks.

Cheers, Garrett

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Thanks Garrett!

Dominic Greco at home in Richboro, PA

>Garrett,

Thanks for providing this comprehensive and detailed write up! I have been waiting for a chance to build one of these. But not exactly for the application you have shown. Allow me to explain....

I've been working on some segmented bowls and have a hard time flattening the faces of the assembled rings. Many segmented turners mount a "trued up" plywood disk on a faceplate, and then center and hot-melt glue the assembled ring to the disk (as shown in Dale Nish's excellent book "Woodturning with Ray Allen"). Then the face of the disk is flattened with a sanding stick.

Now I admit, I am not the most patient person on the planet. But no matter how gingerly I try, I always ruin the assembled ring when it comes time to pry it off the plywood disk! I figure that I could build a Longworth Chuck, and install a set of "low profile" rubber buttons that would hold an assembled segmented ring quite easily. Any turning that is needed to flatten the face is usually not very aggressive. Nor is the sanding procedure. I figure that would work perfectly. What say you?

Thanks again for posting this.

See ya around,

Dominic

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Re: Thanks Garrett!

Garrett in Victoria

>Hi Dominic

It should work very well for that purpose. The only change I'd make would be to use 5/8" or 3/4" d rubber chair rather than cane tips. They're tapered sharply but only about 3/8" thick, so you'd have easy all-round access to the face of your ring.

Cheers, Garrett

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How about swimming pool plugs?

Alan Tolchinsky

>These look just like test tube stoppers and come in many sizes and already have holes in them. In fact they have wing nuts and bolts to tighten them. Get them at any swimming pool store and online at Leslies Pool. Alan in Md.

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi *LINK*

Fred Holder

>Hello Garrett,

Very nice article you have done on the Longworth Chuck. I would be interested in re-printing it in More Woodturning and would also be pleased to post it in PDF format with the other information on the Longworth Chuck at my More Woodturning web site for everyone to download and print out as desired. All of this of course requires your permission. May I have your permission?

Fred Holder, Editor and Publisher

More Woodturning


More Woodturning Web Site

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi *LINK*

Fred Holder

>Lloyd Johnson of Woodturner PRO, LLC was marketing the Longworth Chuck in two sizes: a small size to fit lathes under 10" swing and a larger size for the larger lathes. Lloyd has passed this on to someone else to manufacture and sell because of insurance costs that he would have to add to continue selling them. I described Lloyd's version plus the information on how to make one yourself in my book: "A Guide to Work-Holding on the Lathe" published by GMC Publications in England the end of February 2004. I'm not sure who is going to continue the manufacture and marketing of the Longworth Chuck, but Lloyd should be able to advise you. Lloyd's web site is given below:


WoodturnerPRO web site

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi *LINK*

Carl Bordelon

>Garrett I have also made the longworth chuck.You did an excellent job of describing the process.I know the photot's help with the visual aspect of making it.Wish I would have had pics when I did mine.

To those that want to make this chuck.Follow Garrett's advise and do the steps in order.It will save time and frustration later.

If it helps here is a link to the plan I followed.It may be the same one Garrett used. You can copy it for printing from that site.


http://www.fholder.com/Woodturning/lwc-wtm.htm

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi

Walt C

>Great article. I was thinking of trying this myself, so you just reinforced my thoughts. You made it look easy, and illustrated it wonderfully.

Hope you post as is on the site as an article so I can refer to it when I need it.

Walt C

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Fred Holder

Garrett in Victoria

>Hi Fred

Certainly. I posted a slightly amended version on the main WC board this morning with a few editing changes so it flows a bit better. Just scrap the first para.

Cheers, Garrett

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Re: Fred Holder

DWFII

>Duh! Dumb bootmaker here...I can't find it!?

DWFII

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Re: How about swimming pool plugs?

Gary in Zirconia,NC

>I used the test tube stoppers and they work very good. Got mine at a wine supply store.

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi

J L

>Many, many thanks. Informative and beautifully written article.

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Look for "Making a Longworth Chuck" as the Title

Garrett in Victoria

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Re: How about swimming pool plugs?

Duane C.Leach

>The rubber bumpers I use on mine are well nuts. I got them at Lowes hardware section in one of the drawers. The rubber is molded around a brass threaded nut. It is straight with a flange at one end and can be used either rite side up or down. The flange can be used to hold bowl off the chuck surface or turned upside down the flange can act like a finger to hold the bowl rim from inside.

Duane

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Re: Tapping the wooden block.

Al Crandall

>I used a chunk of shop made plywood for the nut on the back side of a 20" Longworth chuck I made. I was afraid that a solid piece of wood might crack and turn the chuck into a frisbee. I cross laminated a bunch of 1/4" thick cherry until I had a piece thick enough to fit the spindle of my lathe. (I also must have had a lot of extra time on my hands.) I screwed it on the lathe, faced it off true, and turned it to a diameter which centered it in a recess cut into the back side of the chuck's rear plate. The result is a chuck with practically no wobble or runout.

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Re: Layout suggtestion if you make 8 buttons.

Al Crandall

>Hi Garrett. Making one with 8 buttons has been suggested. When I did the 8 button thing, I noticed during the layout process that the groove I would be cutting would wipe out the pivot point for an adjoining groove. I solved this by keeping the same starting and ending points for each groove but modified the arc to be a smaller radius. This had to effect of moving the layout point, and thus the pivot point for the router circle cutting jig, to a place which was safe from the router bit. I also used furniture bolts for the axle between the two plates in final assembly. You know, the ones with a nut which looks like a socket head bolt only the threads are on the inside of the bolt instead of the outside.

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Re: DIY Scrollchuck with Cole Jaws (Long & Many Pi

Jean Michel

>Thanks Garrett,

Definitely a keeper!

Jean