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Retro Lathe Tools *LINK*

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Retro Lathe Tools *LINK*

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Retro Lathe Tools *LINK*

Bob Smalser, Seabeck, WA

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I don�t consider myself any great shakes as a turner, but I�ve used lathes occasionally.

Back in the late �50�s - early �60�s when I was the principle sweeper, plank holder, sharpener and gofer in my uncle�s boat yard, he had a graceful old Victorian wood lathe among his line shaft machines converted to electricity. I don�t remember the make, only that it didn�t get much use except for making a few tool handles and the occasional fancy thwart or folding table post�. and I was drawn to it, probably because it was the quietest machine inside the shed. I eventually succeeded in him showing me how to use it one rainy day, and I remember him having me hand hone his ancient lathe tools as the first step. Those tools were all dark-patina�d carbon steel, and I remember how smooth they cut when freshly honed.

During the following 30 years, I worked off and on in several large commercial shops with larger modern lathes and modern HSS tools�mostly Sorby. Most of the work was spindle turning paper-split half and quarter-round moldings for Colonial and Victorian furniture reproductions, and what I remember mostly was sanding. I don�t like sanding, or grinding tools for that matter, and I didn�t remember doing a lot of either with Uncle Paul�s old lathe.

So fast forward another decade, and I have my own newly-acquired lathe and the HSS tools that came with it�.and I was back to sanding and grinding again. So why not try a few shop-made carbon tools, says I? The old chisels of Uncle Paul�s childhood are plentiful at the tool auctions and are dirt cheap to boot. So I convert a few using the traditional methods I was taught 40 years ago at the link below and try them:

http://media5.hypernet.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010358


The big inch-and-a-half roughing gouge ground to a 45-degree bevel easily fills its cannel with long, thick shavings.


The parting tool makes clean shavings in long noodles.


The flat scraper cuts so fast it buries itself in shavings�.


�as do the fingernail gouges�


�and the skews take such fine whispers of wood decorating the tool rest that the starting point for finishing is now 100 or even 120 grit paper, cutting my sanding in half�


�and best of all, I�ll never have to grind these tools again, only touch them up on the fine novaculite stone occasionally as in the link above.

So seriously, why am I the only guy I know using old-fashioned carbon tools in preference to high-speed steel?


Basic Sharpening

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Don Orr

>That is outstanding! I just picked up a large gouge at an estate sale that needs a lot of work and you just showed me what to do with it. One question is what is noviculite? I checked out the Hall's website but did not see it there. Your input and obvious expertise is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Don

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Not the only one

Gil

>Bob,

I occasionally use my great grandfathers lathe which was made around 1910 and the few gouges I have left of his. I love the way sharp carbon cuts for spindle work, you need to hone often..

-Gil

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Bob Smalser, Seabeck, WA

>The 20-dollar name for Arkansas oil stones, is all.

I use "novaculite" because of the inferiority complex traditional sharpening methods are getting these days.

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Don Orr

>Thanks Bob, that's what I have and learned to do chisels and plane irons on. I think they work well. The gouge I mentioned is about 2" wide and curved (as a gouge should be) with an in-cannel (sp) bevel. Do you have any advice on fixing this up since all my stones are flat? It needs quite a bit of work and I haven't done this curved thing before except for turning gouges on a grinding wheel. Yes, most of mine are HSS but I have some carbon steel tools as well, I just don't use them much. Maybe I'll get them out and try them again.

Thanks, Don

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Wet-Or-Dry on a Dowel

Bob Smalser, Seabeck, WA

>It's only recently that I've sprung for novaculite slip stones on Ebay for 10-15 bucks....occasional carver's India stones there too...

...for 40 years I just wrapped wet-or-dry paper around an appropriately sized dowel for the cannel.

I hone gouges fore and aft just like chisels, doing the bevels first and then the incannel flat with slip stones....then strop.

I've seen plenty of pro carvers hone them side to side, but seems to me putting scratches parallel with the edge isn't conducive to long edge life.

Anyway, once I have the initial grind I like it takes less time on the stones than the HSS Sorby's do on the grinder, and I rarely ever have to grind again because I hone the main bevel a bit every few sharpenings as a secondary bevel wears down.