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problem vessel (long)

John Lucas

>Vessel From Hell

I have a lady who keeps bringing me wood from her family farm and I make things for her kids. When she first did this I�m thinking, great, all I�ll get out of this piece of wood is a set of chopsticks. Most of the time it goes very smoothly even though the logs have been sitting for a few years or so and were cut too short to begin with. I turn them and decorate the crack or simply make small objects like Christmas ornaments that avoid the checks. They are still pretty green inside so it rusts the heck out of my lathe bed and I have to clean it every 5 minutes.

This time she brought me a 12� piece that was really split. She wanted a hollow vessel. I�m thinking I�ll be lucky to get a 4� vessel but take the job anyway. I cut 2 inches off each end and didn�t see any cracks so I split it through the very off center heart. I turned the outside. Looked solid. As I was hollowing the inside I heard a funny noise. Sure enough it cracked 2/3rds of the way down right through one of the dark lines. I glued it back together and let is set. It warped while it was setting but I figured I could clean up the glue joint and true up the outside by shear scraping.

I don�t know what happened next. I was shear scraping lightly with nice curls coming off and suddenly, Wham, a 3� by � chunk flew out of the side of what looked like good wood. Of course it grabbed the gouge and made it hit the vessel in 2 other places. If this were my wood I would have thrown it in the garbage after the required amount of fowl language. But Noooo. This was special wood from the farm. I thought about just going out and getting some more Oak and just faking it, but that would be dishonest. I had to push the horns in my head back down. This time the good conscience won.

By now it had warped more, probably from the foul language, so I couldn�t sand on the lathe. I had to hand sand this piece. So lets see, now I have about 3 hours in a vessel that I could normally turn in an hour and I�m sure my blood pressure was up.

I decided to grind away some of the torn opening, grind down the gouge spots and burn them to make it look like the log had some rot. This worked pretty well but now you could see the inside. Man I didn�t plan on anyone seeing the inside so now I had to color it. I couldn�t just pour paint inside and slosh it around because of the hole so I had to paint the inside through that small hole. That wasn�t easy. Insert more foul language here. Finally got that done successfully. Ok now it�s sanded, burned and painted so I apply some finish. Cool All I have to do is buff it out.

Now I�ve been using the Beal buffing system for about a year or more and have buffed hundreds of pieces. I�ve never lost one. I must have thought about that and jinxed myself because it grabbed it, and bounce it off the rubber matt at my feet. The top popped out but fortunately that was all the damage. Since I used CA glue the joint was brittle and it broke right on the glue line. I glued it back in and had to hand sand some more and finish some more. Now I�ve got about 4 hours in this piece. Now this lady is a friend and repeat customer so I can�t really charge her what it�s worth. This time the buffing went fine. I�ll just eat this one. I thought I would pass this on to show that sometimes despite your best efforts things go wrong. Also known as S*#t happens. It�s also a good reason to turn good fresh wood and not 2 year old Oak.

There's a photo showing both sides below. It's about 8" tall.


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David Hammond, in Powder Springs GA

>Man John; I expected some nasty looking something all busted up after that story - despite the agony and aggravation, that's a gorgeous peice.

David Hammond

My Dad & Me, Inc.

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Excellent Save John!!

Dave Peebles Lyons, Ohio!

>Hi John,

I am with David, I thought I would see a mess!!

But I see a beautiful turning. Good on you for sticking with it. The result is wonderful!!

Nice job, now take a break and turn something fun, without the pressure of this one. :)

Dave

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Stan Campbell

>Great Recovery John! Beautiful Work, I am sure she will be Pleased.

Stan

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Mike Schwing from Md.

>Nice save John. I know why I like closed vessels so much - no worries about finishing the interior!

The torch comes in handy but it is an art I just haven't even begun to get a handle on.

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I definitely feel your pain!

Dominic Greco in Richboro PA

>John,

Wow! Very nice form and awesome finish on this vase!

I am also impressed by your determination and by you unwillingness to give into temptation by "substituting" other red oak for your friends.

I've run into those "turn me something out of this special wood" situations before. And it almost always end in tears. My tears!

I have a guy here at work who gave some dogwood. Most was so rotted that I could just about manage a 3" dia bowl from it. I ended up making him a set of (4)coasters and a couple pens! Not exactly what I had planned. But you make do with what you've got.

Btw, I have also sacrificed my fair share of turnings to the dreaded "Beall Buff Gods" (a favorite term of endearment of mine coined by David Propst). Nothing makes me madder than when I screw up only mere inches from the finish line!

See ya around,

Dominic

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Mike Schwing from Md.

>Me too Dom, though the buff gods have been less well fed since I changed from high speed buffing to low speed buffing. I'm always amazed at how well most of the buff god sacrificial pieces survive the high speed bounce around the room. _MOST_ of them.

I lost a cute little bowl I was finishing the bottom on last weekend due to the vac chuck. It didn't let go, but rather sucked the bottom right in and cracked the bowl. Dummy me should have used the cole jaws, but I've all but forgotten about them since the vac chuck. That little bowl was probably less than 1/16" thick.

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George Van

>Sounds like my normal turning session John. You mean things go better than this? And in an hour??? And now you tell me when I start using my new Beal buffing system things are going to get worse!

Very nice looking bow, she will be very happy with the vase.

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Ron in Drums PA

>Beautiful John, nice save!

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Andy in Raleigh

>I don't normally respond because I have little to say; I am just awed by the talent at this place. First, to John, that is a clinic on how to save a piece. It would make a great article to post that along with others' "save stories". Second, I have to disagree with Mike's statement that he doesn't have a handle on the torch thing. His recent piece with the flame look was outstanding.

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Joe Herrmann

>John:

Great turning!! Unfortunately, this vessel is sooooo nice that next time she'll bring you worse wood and expect something even better!! ;-)

Joe

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RevDoug

>Great save. Don't you find that your satisfactions level goes up a bit when you are able to over come issues like that?

Thanks for sharing with the rest of us.

Turn 'em round,

RevDoug


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