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Brad Vietje

Spinning Top Mystery *LINK*

Brad Vietje

>I make quite a few tops of various sorts. This question is about throwing tops, or peg tops -- the sort you wrap a string around and toss side-arm to spin...

I make a design like those sold by The Toycrafter (link below) and the mystery is that they seem to be difficult to scale down. Let me explain:

These tops are thrown with the string wrapped first around the top of the top, and then around the tip, though this not shown correctly in the photo below. (If you haven't used this sort of top, follow the FAQ on the Toycrafter web site where this is described and illustrated.) The top is released upside-down, that is, with the tip up, and the top inverts as it winds off the string. I've made a few dozen roughly 2" wide by 3" tall, and so long as the shape and weight distribution are correct, they invert and spin beautifully.

Now the mystery: when I make them a little smaller, say 1.6" by 2.4", and as close as possible to the exact same shape, they don't throw the same. If you wind them and throw them like their larger cousins, they land on their sides, and don't quite get up on the tip. By adjusting the release by 90 degrees, so the tip faces me instead of facing upward, they work perfectly.

So the question is, What's going on here ? I know there are many things that cannot be scaled up or down in a linear fashion, like a column, for example, since the strength is proportional to the cross sectional area (a linear dimension squared), while the mass is proportional to the volume (a linear dimension cubed), and similar phenomena. Not knowing much about how the top rights itself, I'm struggling to understand why a smaller top of the same shape will not do so.

Can someone explain this, or suggest a modification of the shape that will toss like a larger one ?

Safe Spinning,

Brad Vietje

Thetford, VT


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Bill Turpin in WNC mountains

>The center of gravity is a function of the mass versus the height and width. Mass is determined by a cubed function volume, while H & W are a squared function. By changing the diameter of the string wraps on the smaller top, you change the RPM obtained from the same force of toss. With a changed COG and RPM you might not reach the terminal velocity necessary to flip the top.

I would try changing the taper angle, to move the COG up or down. Which way, I don't know. You could try hot melt gluing washers on the top to see if more weight at top would cause a flip. Also try center boring top to lower the COG.

If you are using the same size steel point on both tops, there may not be enough wood weight to counteract the weight of point.

Bill in WNC mountains

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Brad Vietje

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Brad Vietje

>Thanks for your thoughts, Bill. I hope you didn't get beat up too badly by all the storms -- sound like there's a lot of free wood out there !

Safe Spinning,

Brad Vietje

Thetford, VT

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Sam Simpson

>Hi Y'all,

No idea Brad. All I have to offer is - the smaller ones I played with as a kid where skinnier in the middle section. More pear shaped than onion shaped.

Regards Sam Simpson.

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Scott in NH

>Brad, Try a different length of string. The length of string is very important with "regular" size tops. Scott

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Don Orr

>Brad, I make throwing tops on occaision quick and cheap-nothing as nice as the picture. I wind the string just as shown in the photo-not over the top of the top as you describe although I have seen it done that way. I wind the string tight starting near the point,in a little ridge near the point, throw it underhand with a little flip of the wrist at the end and they spin pretty well.I don't use those fancy tips in these cheap ones either. I'm not real particular about size or shape just in general. I got the idea from the AAW Providence tape on Michael Hosaluk's demo. I have also tried this winding/throwing method on some antique tops from my father-in-law and it works fine.

Let us know how you make out and I'll see you at Totally Turning,

Don

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