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Peppermills, advice please

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Peppermills, advice please

Roly

>My sweet wife has asked me if I could make a peppermill. This has crossed my mind but haven't tried it yet, and when I answered in the affermative, she suggested that I make some for Christmas gifts for our friends. So, my question is, what pointers can I get to avoid pitfalls, where is the best place to obtain the grinding mechanism, and has anyone made a really big one, perhaps 2 feet long? Alas, a chance to practice once again my lathe-a-tizm! (is that a word?)

Roly, ready to start something new

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Chuck Ludwigsen

>Rolly,

I've made several, but none the length you are talking about. Pepper and Salt mills can be fun to turn and are folks love them.

You will need at least 2-1/2" square stock - preferably 3" to give you enough room to play with the design. Also, at a minimum, you have to add 2-1/2" to the length of the wood you wish to make a mill out of. That is a minimum if you keep your parting sections to under 1/4" and have to drill from both ends of the main body.

You will bore 3 to 4 different size holes depending on the kit you get. Having used both, I personally recommend you stick to the Premium end or better that Craft Supplies USA and Packard sell.

The people who have my sets love them and use them all the time. I've been asked how much I would charge for them and that has kept me from having to make any more.

Here is why...

1) The kits cost about $10 each plus shipping =~ $25.00

2) 3" square seasoned dry stock is not as easy to get. A 24" by 3"sq piece of Claro Walnut will easily run you in excess of $25.00

3) You will need a long enough drill bit to bore a 1" whole (Premium kit actually requires 1-1/16 for the mechanism). If you are turning 8" kits, you might get what you need at Lowes, if you go 20", you are looking at an expensive bit.

4) You DO have to spend some time turning them.

So unless your friends that want you to make some are willing to pay $75 to $100 a set, you may think twice.

I'm not trying to discourage you from making them, just suggesting you count the cost.

You can see mine at the link below...

Chuck in Memphis, TN.


Life Takes a Turn (Spindle Gallery)

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Andrew Hilton

>Here's just a quick rundown of my 3 hour class I give on doing peppermills...

1) Use enough wood. A 5" peppermill takes more than 5" of wood. Allow some waste on either end and a little in the middle. I normally use my 7" blanks for a 5" mill, for example. Leaves me plenty of room to work (and mess up?).

2) Don't get too fancy with the shape. Simpler is better. But too simple isn't good either. You want to think about what you'd like to be holding onto yourself if you were grinding pepper with it. A sharp, pointed top isn't comfortable, for instance.

3) On the bottom of the mill: Don't get things too small in your turning. It's going to take some abuse (assuming it's not just for show) and you don't want the bottom to be fragile or thin.

3a) Again, on the bottom of the mill: Remember, you're going to be screwing a couple of screws up into the wood so don't start any serious curve until you're up at least 3/4" from the bottom else you'll come through the sides with the screws.

4) Finish: If it's not just for show, you want something durable. Shellac-based friction polishes don't cut it here! I don't finish the area where the top and bottom wood parts fit together. Just sand well and leave it. Any finish will fail quickly there with use so I don't do it.

5) Measure Measure Measure and do it all over again. You're turning the lengths and drilling the diameters of things in the wood to match the grinding mechanism you have. They are NOT all the same. Measure each individual one before you make the cuts/holes.

6) All you really need is a 5" mechanism for any length mill. Of course, it's easier to just buy a 10" one rather than adapting the 5" to the 10" length but the point is, you CAN adapt the smaller ones to any length you need. Cut the threaded tip off the mechanism about 1" down. Get some square tubing to make up the difference in length that you need that will fit over the square metal you just cut and glue things back together. Have a friend that does basically this that has a mill around 7 foot tall and is working on a much larger one now.

7) Don't get terribly concerned with how straight the large through-hole is. Just the ends of the holes need to be straight relative to the entire mill. A forstner bit is usually used but you could do it with turning tools if you want. Just be careful of sizes where the mechanism fits into the wood.

8) It's all in the process. Step by step much like flat woodworking. Lots of different ways to go about that process though. Find what works for you and stick to it. I teach 3 very different processes for doing these peppermills. Some like one way and others a different one. Some do a modification themselves. Make a couple out of scrap wood and see what works best for you.

- If you mess up, you haven't wasted the mechanism. Give it another go with a fresh piece of wood and use the same mechanism. It just takes practice.

Unfortunately, the good mechanisms can't be bought by themselves anymore. The standard woodturning catalog stores carry pretty much the same quality of stuff. No real difference in how long they last and the pepper they make.

There are additional tricks to making really large mills that I've learned from my friend (see above). But 2' isn't really any different than a 5" one. Drilling the through-hole does get interesting on that long of one though. I drill each end with the jacobs chuck on the lathe for about 2" on each end and then freehand the rest of the way (no jacobs chuck). MUCH quicker that way.

Good luck and post pictures when you're done!

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woodspinner

>2 ft. ?

Remember who you want to give them to and where they are going. A 24" will not go on a counter under cabinets.

Good turning and be safe

Bill

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3a) Again, on the bottom

Chuck Ludwigsen

>Hehehe, Andy is right... I know... Did it on my first attempt.

Chuck

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woodspinner

>Andrew

Tell me about the best mill.

Where do you buy them and how many at a time?

Do they also have salt mills?

Thanks in advance

Good turning and be safe

Bill

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Andrew Hilton

>The best mills that I ever used were the Peugeot of France ones. From a woodturners perspective, they're not all that different from the cheaper ones you find everywhere today. But from a cooks' perspective, they are great. Consistent flow, fine control that stays where you put it, and long life.

The problem has been, and still is as far as I know, that they won't just sell the mechanisms anymore. Lee Valley used to sell these years ago but no longer do since they ran out of their stock. I could also get them direct from Peugeot in bulk. Peugeot just makes their own and sells the mechanisms to authorized manufacturers now though. At least that's the latest word I got when I tried to buy some a few years ago direct from them.

However, what you *can* do is to buy the complete Peugeot mills from cooking stores, etc. and tear them apart! It's a bit more expensive that way but if you're making quality peppermills then it might be worth it to you. I do this for my better peppermill customers.

Another off-beat source is to go to hotel, food service, or dinning sale/auctions. I've had friends get dozens of these peppermills for just cents each.

I've also heard that the ones from Germany (Jacques Coulombe?) are good as are some from Greece (can't remember the name now). The Germany ones I've used a few times but haven't seen too much of a quality difference myself. Not enough to warrant overseas purchase at least.

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Jim Pugh in Elyria, OH

>Roly, I am kind of surprised that no one mentioned Chef Specialties as a source for salt and pepper mill mechanisms. I suspect they supply the other sources mentioned in earlier posts and you can save by buying direct. They have a web site but it is primarily to sell their own complete pepper mills. I have never been able to find mechanisms on it.

Contact them at 800-440-2433 or info@chefspecialities.com. You will have to ask them to send you a listing of their mechanisms and they also sell individual components should you need them. And, if you ask, they will send you a couple of dimensioned drawings to use for suggested shapes/lengths as well.

After you get some kits, decide how long to make the body and the top, then using some cheap wood (perhaps glued up poplar?), make a couple of test pieces until you have the lengths correct. Someone already suggested that but it bears repeating. Have fun.

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Lou Macknik

>I just went to the Chef Specialties website and they DO list mechanisms for sale, from 4" to 24" along with some other parts. Check 'em out!


http://www.chefspecialties.com

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Chuck Ludwigsen

>I checked out the kits from Chef Specialties. Judging from the images, they are the same parts as the Deluxe kits from CSUSA. However their prices are WAY BETTER!! I will be ordering from them next time. They will definitely allow me to offer mills at a lower price point.

Chuck

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Roly

>I just want to thank all of you for your great input regarding peppermills. This is a great website and is has endless information, all one has to do is ask. If all of my 'old foggie friends' only knew how enlightening a computer can be, they wouldn't be so stubborn about getting one. Long live WoodCentral, thanks again for the help, now on to "Peppermilling"

Roly, the li'l ol' woodturner, ME!

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Russ Cataldo

>Highland hardware and Packard have all the peppermill mechanisms you will ever need. There are stainless steel ones and they even sell plastic ones they claim are good for salt but hey stainless should be good for both. and there is another source I have run across that had mechs as long as 24 inches, unfortunately I forget the name but if you can buy some 1/4" square aluminum stock all you need is to cut the thread one end. You would then only be limited by the length of the stock and there are lots of places around to acquire that.

I am new to turning but have made many mills from all kinds of wood, exotic and domestic. Some were fodder for my woodstove which is close by and the good ones I have given to relatives with much satisfaction on both ends. Be glad to supply you with any more info. Just ask. Russ C.

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