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A "Sticky" Question

Tom in Red Deer

>Hi There,

Well, life was good until I just went to put a final waxing on the segmented bowl I am supposed to take to England tomorrow.

The polishing cloth detected a slight catch, and then another ect.

On close inpection it seems that some of the joints have moved.

This bowl was made of the same combination of wood as one I did six months ago. The segments were in fact cut from the same board at the same time.

The rings were allowed to cure for two weeks before the bowl was turned.

There are only two differences:

The six month old bowl has 1/4 in walls...the new one is 1/8"

On the six month old bowl, I used fish glue to put it together. The new bowl was done with Tite-Bond 2.

The bowl done with fish glue is still perfect...can't feel a joint anywhere.

Question....could this thing fall apart on me given that it was made in a"prairie" enviroment and it is going to a damp climate.

For the future...what glue do other "segmenters" use.

Any and all answers most appreciated.

To answer the obvious question....the six month old bowl had some other flaws that make it a "keeper".

Tom in Red Deer

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Tim Grenville-Cleave

>Hi Tom,

Here in that 'Damp' place on the other side of the pond I use TiteBond II, Gorilla, or just good old PVA depends on the joints requirements. Sorry to be so unhelpful. But bring your raincoat cos guess what ... Yep it's RAINING!!! and the atmosphere is, for some strange reason full of moisture, I am having a devil of a job at the moment, a KD bowl blank I started to turn this morning has soaked up the autumnal feeling and has put on weight. So I shall put it aside until it has sorted itself out.

Tim

Dorset, South Coast, Damp and miserable UK

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Thomas Saunders

>Hi Tim,

I understand it is "Damp" up around York as well, which is were I will be.

Don't know what the answer is to my problem.

Oh well, I've found it hardly ever rains in a pub,(although it did once as the roof started to leak right above my table), so I will have lots of time to sort it out.

Cheers

Tom in Red Deer

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Tim Grenville-Cleave

>Tom,

I suppose a lot will depend on weather (Oops what pun?) the object is sealed with a varnish or a 'breathable' finish ...

Whole ruddy country is wet and is going to remain so for the forseeable future 24hrs +

Have a good trip and watch some of those northern ales, they tend to 'creep up' on you, one minute you are fine ... the next, rubber legs and you end up having to hold onto the floor while lying down.

hehehehe

Tim

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Thomas Saunders

>This bowl is finished with 16 thin coats of wipe on poly, rubbed every third or so coats with 0000 steel wool. Then it has 8 coats of wax, buffed after each coat. It is so slippery you can hardly pick it up.

That SHOULD keep the damp out.

Guiness, Theakston's Old Peculure(sp) and Yorkshire Breweries Honey Wheat Ale or India Pale Ale keeps the moisture out as well.

Tom in Red Deer

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Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>Tom,

I have gone away from turning any segmented bowls as thin as 1/8". To me there is just too little surface area there to sustain much movement in the wood. 1/4" is about as thin as I think you can reasonably go (with the exception of at the lip where it is tapered.

I have used everything from Hot Hide Glue to CA to Gorilla glue. I don't think the TBII is your problem at all, it is the most common glue used by segmented turners.

Mark

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Thomas Saunders

>Thanks Mark

I was wondering if it might be the thickness of the wood. It is cherry as well and I learned later that it moves a bit.

So much to learn. Fun though...keeps the grey matter exercised.

Tom in Red Deer

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Mac

>Tom, I have had the same problem with the Titebond 11. Have found that the original Titebond doesnt allow the wood to move.Apparently the 11 does not harden as much which makes it better for exterior work,allowing for movement without separating.Try the original formula,I think you will find it eliminates the problem.

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