bowl savers

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Dave Peebles Lyons, Ohio!

>Hi Kenny,

I have the Easy Core system from OneWay. It has proven to be a really great coring tool for me.

But I do know that Bill Grumbine really likes his McNaughton system. And he is very skilled at using it. I believe he has some tips for using it on his web site. If you do a search on Bill's name, I am sure you can get the info you are looking for.

Here is the link for the video for the coring system made by Oneway. Look to the right to either down load the info, or ask for the DVD to be sent to you.

Best wishes,

Dave


Easy Core

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Chuck Ludwigsen

>Don't know how far Independence is from Memphis, but next month's meeting of the Midsouth Woodturner's Guild will be featuring a demonstration of "Twice Turned Bowls - Introduction to a Bowl Saver". Might be a good time to ask questions and see it up close and personal. That is, if you are in the neighborhood.

Hope that helps.

Chuck in Memphis, TN.

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Lyn J. Mangiameli

>I wrote a fairly extensive comparative review of all the methods of coring bowls that was published in More Woodturning about a year ago. It can be obtained as a pdf at the link below.


http://www.fholder.com/Woodturning/lyn.html

I love my Kelton System.

Al Crandall

>First off, everybody thinks the system they have forked out good money for is the best one. I have the Kelton and love the versatility of it. One of the demonstrators at the Orlando AAW symposium mentioned that the Oneway corer makes bowls in the shape which Oneway thinks bowls should look like. I have to agree. While it may be a "fool proof" and easy system to learn to use, I like to be able to make my cores with a little of my own attitude in them. I asked the Oneway representatives at the vendor's fair in Orlando if their system would let me take a 15 or 16" diameter core, 3" thick, out of a blank which was 18" diameter and 5" thick. After sorting through their circuitious answer, I walked away thinking that I had had a load of snow shoveled up my butt, but I knew that I could do it with my Kelton. With the Oneway, it was not possible to offset the pivot point from the centerline of the lathe enough to make the above mentioned core. Repeating, everybody loves their own system, and I love my Kelton, even though the learning couve might be a bit steeper.

Re: bowl savers

Dinyar Chavda

>Mike Mahoney has a new DVD that shows how to use the McNaughton.

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Bill Grumbine, Kutztown PA

>Kenny, as has been mentioned, I really like my KM tool, and I do have some pictures on how to use it on my website. I did a segment on video for my upcoming DVD demonstrating its use, but it isn't going to fit.

Any of the bowl savers work, but I think the KM tool is the most versatile.

Bill


Bill Grumbine's Personal Space

Re: I love my Kelton System.

Scott Thorburn

>I have the McNaughton system and I use it. If money were not a question I would get the Oneway system. I have used it at a friends and was amazed at how easy it was to set up and use. All of curved blade coring systems will cut a bowl along that curve. With all of them you can change the angle of the cut to change the profile of the bowl. But if you do that what you effectively do is make a wider kerf to get that changed profile. You can just as easily get that changed profile after you have taken the core out.

For the shear ease of getting the core out fast I will get the Oneway system as soon as I can afford it.

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George Van

>I have the McNaughton. I am a beginner at turning. The first time I used it after reading Bill�s tutorial I was having disastrous results and had to quit before I tore the blank off the chuck. I waited till morning and watched Bill�s tutorial again. I then humbly went down to the shop and turned the tool support post 180� and let the tool support stop the scraper from pulling down, the core came out effortlessly as described by Bill. I was wondering how anyone, even a big guy like Bill, could hold the corer up against the stop to keep the tip from pulling down while coring, should have noticed then!

I really like the McNaughton system since it works well for even a beginner like me.

George

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Richard Allen

>Hi Kenny

I liek the Oneway Easy Core. Makes the process straight forward and easy. No white nuckles. You can let go of the tool at any time without concern that something bad will happen. The system will produce cores from 18" to 5" and from 7" to 1" deep.

The KM system requires a bit more attention to what you are doing and there is a bit of a learning curve. You can become skilled in the use of the KM system. Mike Mhoney is the best I know of using the KM system. He gave demos at the St. Paul symposium a few years ago where he cored out 5 finished bowls from burl (bark side out) in one rotation (less than 1 1/2 hours).

Thanks

Richard

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Don Orr

>Thanks Bill for that link. Just what I was looking for. I got a KM set recently but haven't had time to try it yet. Your photo demo will be very helpful. Sorry to hear it didn't make it into the video. I am looking forward to getting a copy when it is ready.

Don

Bowl Saver

Greg Jensen

>Mike Mahoney has a new video just released that show the McNaughton system exclusively. Titled �Mike Mahoney on the McNaughton Center Saver�. It is very well done. It is available from Craft Supply USA or Mike direct http://www.bowlmakerinc.com/

Greg Jensen

North American Rep

Kelton Tools

P&N Tools

VB 36 lathes

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Fog Tanner

>I got the Mc Naughton system when I was still fairly new at turning. I thought that everyone had one, turns out there are two or three people that have the Mc Naughton and noone wants to spend the bucks on the Oneway. I got started by reading the Steve Russell writeup that was linked off the Kelton site. There is a learning cure, but not that bad. If you are worried about going through the bottom of the bowl, there is a link on the net to someone using a laser rig on the Mc Naughton.

I like mine well enough, that it was a requisite that I could get a 30mm post or I wouldn't by the Vic 300. I got one from Greg and got the 300. I was doing the coring on a 1 1/2hp Delta before the 2hp Vic, so you can core on a lesser horse power machine. Like oneo f the other posts, whatever you get will be the best - after all thats why you bought it....

Re: I love my Kelton System.

Kevin Clay

>Sorry that you felt like I was shovelling snow up your butt at the Orlando but it is quite hard to answer questions such as yours without having a model of a knife and a measuring tool. You would have to memorize all the depths of all the diameters of every spherical segment from say 7 inches to 16 inches in 1/4 inch increments to give a precise answer to a question such as yours. Sitting here at a desk with a plywood model of a knife and a measuring tape I can tell you that the biggest bowl you can make that is three inches deep with our largest knife is 15 inches and you will have a 1-1/2 snap or you will have to let the knife curve back on itself. If you need a bigger bowl with the parameters you describe you would have to go deeper, which you can do without fear of going through the bottom with the easy core. As for the demonstrator that says that the Oneway Easy core makes bowls in the shape that we think they should be made that is not true. Using the shape given by the system will give you the most effecient use of the wood. If you wish deviate from that shape simply turn your outer bowl the shape you want, take out the biggest core you can and then shape the core to whatever you want. The biggest problem with our system is that it is so easy to use and the wood usage is so efficient that people are reluctant to change what the system gives you. After the cores are taken out green and dried there is lots of material to add your own touch to the shape of the bowl.

Every coring system is a compromise, our knives cannot deviate from their design diameter as much as the McNaughton knives because our knives are deeper, it is this depth that causes interference with the face groove diameter but it is also what gives the knives their strength.

regards

Kevin Clay

Re: I love my Kelton System. *LINK*

RonZ

>I'll have to agree with Kevin on both points.

As you say 'everybody loves their own system' and it looks like you were using Kevin to fortify your opinion instead of seriously looking for an answer.

As far as personalized bowls, the KM system will only give you one type of bowl just as the Oneway will. The only way that I know of to get a different bowl is to use a slicer such as Sorbys and then snap/tap/bang off the outside bowl. Then your bowl will be angular and not curved. No matter which system you use, if you leave a decent thickness between each bowl, this will allow you to customize your bowls.

I have the KM system purely because of price. If price was not an issue I would be using the Oneway system as I do production work and I'm a big fan of the K.I.S.S. method. Heck, if price weren't an issue I'd have my shop filled with wall to wall Oneway lathes and equipment. Alas...

You have to think outside of the box..er bowl. =o)

Ron Z


My Space

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Brodie

>I don't know what size lathe you have, but if you're in the 10-12" swing range you have to buy one model Oneway or 16+ another model. If you have the smaller lathe now, upgrading later to a larger lathe will limit your coring until you buy a new base & knive set. McNaughton doesn't discriminate and you can core for cones as well as bowl shapes.

Brodie

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kenny in indep mo

>Many, many, many, thanks to all that repsonded,it has been very helpful. Your help once again talks huge of the great people of Woodcentral

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WilZirkle

>I was just coming here to ask if Lyn had done a comparative review on these...

Any concerns with using either on a DVR?

Thanks,

Wil