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Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray paint?

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Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray paint?

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Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray paint?

Dominic Greco in Richboro PA

>This past weekend I got a chance to finally make some bowl/platter stands. These things are very simple in construction. The original design came from Bill Neddow & Brad Adams of WOW. The stand consists of an upright that is about 1" shorter than your bowl platter is wide. The (2) legs were made 4" long (approx.) sections of 3/8" diameter dowels, with 1" diameter wooden spheres glued to the ends. The upright can be made from a piece of figured wood, roughly 3/4" x 3/4" x "A" long. ("A" being the diameter of the bowl minus 1")

On 2 adjacent faces of the upright, drill (2) 3/8" dia holes, 1/2" up from the bottom. They will be 90 degrees apart. Glue in the legs and your done.

I've seen these stands made so that the dowel/sphere assemblies were painted black, while the upright was given a coat of oil to pop the grain. Thats the way I wanted to go. So I spray painted the legs black using flat black Rust-o-leum I had on hand. When dry assembled to the upright, they looked awesome. It was then that I decided to give the entire assembly a coat of spray lacquer. Great idea, up to the point where the legs turned a sickly gray in color! Obviously, there is some type of incompatibility between the spray Rust-o-leum and the spray lacquer.

Does anyone know why this happened? And what kind of paint can I color the legs with that is compatible with spray lacquer? I think Bill Neddow used India Ink. Anything else (readily available) that I can use? I think Behlen's makes a black stain that might work. But I prefer to use some type of spray finish because it gives you such a smooth surface. BTW, the dowels are pine, and the spheres are oak or maple.

Thanks in advance,

Dominic

Re: Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray paint?

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Re: Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray pa

Joel Hunnicutt

>Don't know Why the finishes are incompatable. Was the rustoleum good and dry? I ususally use india ink for my black also, but lately I've been airbrushing black paint. So far I haven't had a conflict between that and the lacquer. I have heard that leather dye is a good black also.

Re: Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray paint?

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Re: Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray pa

Tom Mullane, Hagerstown, MD

>Lacquer will eat up and wrinkle most other paints that it is applied over, especially polys.. and I believe Rustoleum is a poly based product...

You can put just about anything on top of lacquer but not the other way around...

About the only thing that you can apply lacquer over is shellac...

I found this out the hard way,,, just like you did..

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Re: Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray pa

Tom Sweeney - Coatesville, PA

>Dom,

Rustoleum has a number of different spray products. I think the basic rustoleum is a latex product. They do have a lacquer(I think) that comes in gloss black & some other colors. This might be what you need to get. Also perhaps an auto body supply would have black & clear lacquer in spray cans (unless you have a spray rig & don't need that).

Rustoleum Laquer

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India Ink Source?

Dominic Greco in Richboro PA

>Joel,

Thanks for confirming India Ink as another alternative to black spray paint. If you don't mind, I have several questions.



  1. I would assume that you can get this stuff at an Art Supplies Store, or Craft Supply,...right?


  2. Is this the same stuff they used to use in ink pens?


  3. How do you apply it? Paint it on with a brush?



Looks like I'm going to be trashing this "prototype" and moving on to the MARK II version. Good thing it only took me 10 minutes to make!

Thanks for all the help.

Dominic

Re: Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray paint?

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Re: India Ink Source?

Bert Workman

>Do you have a sketch of the finished stand or maybe a picture? I'm very intrigued by the description.

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Re: Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray pa

Guest

>Why can't you just go with black lacquer ala ...

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and save a step??? Spray can it on a few coats. Fine sand between coats if you want (not necessary with Lacquer) to get a much glossier finish.

Lacquer and Poly (if the particular model of Rust Oleum is poly-based) don't mix ... ever. At best, you'll have adhesion problems between the two down the line. Mostly, you'll have a mess like what you've gotten.

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Re: Incompatibility:Lacquer & Rust-o-leum spray pa

John Lucas

>Dominic

I've had very good luck with Krylon products. Every once in a while I find some things that aren't compatible. Krylon has some latex and poly based paints that will wrinkle with lacquer. Since we don't always know what is in these cans it's best to test all finishes first.

I like india Ink and also black annaline dye. I like the annaline dye because I like my black to appear slightly blue or slightly gray so I can mix other colors with it to get the look I like. John

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Re: India Ink Source?

Joel Hunnicutt

>I get mine from Dick Blick online. You can get it at any Hobby Lobby, AC Moore ect., but It is allot chaper from Dick Blick. I have one of those sharpe edge brushes that I use to apply it. If you hand rotate the piece on the lathe and steady the brush with the tool rest, you can get a really sharp line. For bigger areas, I have used a corner of a rag, but it really goes through the ink quickly.

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