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Tool rust help, please...

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Tool rust help, please...

BubbaBob

>Well folks, as I rejoin the human race from my little sojourn, I continue to find problems my mental absence caused, and today's topic is RUST.

As has been stated before here, my "shop" consists of a 10x10 craft show tent, and it should be noted that such tents have no side walls, just a canvas roof. Typically I would cover each tool with a tarp at the end of the day, and touch up any small rust problem(s) with steel wool and WD-40 every week.

Well, I didn't put the tarp over the tools when I took my 3 month leave from the world, weekly maintanance was not done, it has rained a lot, and I now have a moderately severe rust problem.

All motors are OK, and in this short time obviously nothing has rusted deep enough to cause structural damage to lathe frames, saw stands, etc. For the most part we are talking severe surface rust on lathe beds, saw tables, band saw blades, gouges, scrapers, chucks, and assorted turning tools.

In the interest of time, do I dare use a steel brush attachment on a drill, along with WD-40, or is that too aggressive and thus I should stick with steel wool/WD-40 and LOTS of elbow grease? Any other ideas?

TIA for any ideas/advice. Also, a HUGE thank you to all (and there are many) who emailed me privately during the last few months with words of support and encouragement, and with assurances that my family and I were in their prayers. It really meant a lot.

From the mountains of N Georgia...

Still in my bib overalls,

BubbaBob

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Mike Schwing from Maryland

>Bob, I'd be doing the same thing you are - seeking advice. That said, I don't have any for you but I sure am glad you're recovering to the point where you're ready to brighten up your tools. You had us all scared.

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Gary Bills in NC

>On my lathe bed, I use a 5" ros with 220 grit for a little rust and the black stuff that gets stuck on it. You may want to start with a 120 or 180 first.

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Wayne Cooper Charlotte NC

>Bob

I recently discovered my Onsrud Pin Router had rusted badly. I buy WD-40 by the gallon and I sprayed it on and let it set overnight and then used the 3M abrasive pads. Its good as new. I have also discovered that plastic covers hold the mositure in and increases the rust. The covers need to breathe to let the mositure out. Of course if it is out is the rain then it needs to be mositure proof. Thanks for all the excellent advise you have given me in the past. All the best Wayne Cooper Charlotte NC

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#5

Naval jelly time?

TDaniel

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#6

What's naval jelly?...

BubbaBob

>...I'm an Air Force brat...

BubbaBob

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George Van

>Good morning Bob,

I'm glad to see your post again.

I had a water pipe break in our house while on vacation, the water meter said 106,000 gallons. I had water run through the floors into the basement (at that time) workshop. A lot of my tools were badly rusted and replaced by the insurance company. I bought back my Makita 2040 planer and disassembled it. I used a Dupont acid available from body shop suppliers. I do not have the number of that product but a parts store would be familiar with it as most shops use it. Here in the north where salt is used on the hiway it is mandatory.

The acid got into the pores and easily softened even the deep rust. I scrubbed the surface with 3M Scotchbrite and the beds turned out smoother and better than new. I then finished with WD 40 followed by a good wiping and carnauba wax. I have used the planer for 10 years without the rust reoccurring.

If you wish to try the Dupont product and cannot find it let me know and I will get the product # and if necessary send you some.

George

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#8

Re: What's naval jelly?...

JL work

>Naval jelly is a "jellied" acid product. It will take rust off. Don't use it too long or it may etch the steel.

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#9

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Mark Mandell - Gone Round In Jersey

>Got nuthin' to do with the Squidies.

The real stuff is "Phosphoric acid" which you can get in most any "real" paint store. Forget the "jelly" form; that's just to make the chemical stick to vertical surfaces, and costs way more. They sell it under various names ("Rust-Away" "Rust-Stop" "Rust-????"). Just ask for Phosphoric acid and the clerk "should" know what you're muttering about. It chemically changes red iron oxide to black iron phosphate crystals. Its advantage is that it "reaches" to the bottoms of the little rust pits in the metal's surface and chemically stops the oxidation reaction. Treated metal will have something of a dark stain in the previously rusted areas, but it will not rust further unless the phosphate coating is cracked or removed (by use or sanding).

Wool off as much of the rust as you can, vac the surface well, then apply the solution and scrub the metal's surface with a stiff brush. Allow to sit for 1/2 hour, then wipe and dry off; I use a blow drier to get it really dry. If you then sand the surface to brighten it, use emory cloth and a hard backer to prevent sanding valleys in soft iron. Vac off well again and work a coat of oil in with a scotch-brite pad. Wipe off and scrub in a coat of wax. Buff

Note: covering machines with plastic is fine to keep dust off, but it will actually encourage rust by trapping and condensing moisture under the tarp.

Last Note: Move your iron indoors. It will be much more prone to rust now that the process has started.

Welcome back.

Mark

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#10

Boeshield

Joel Hunnicutt

>Rust remover and T-9 top dressing. I got a unisaw recently that had rather sever surface rust. Boeshield rust remover and a grey abralon pad put it right in about 30 min. T-9 (ablso from boeshield) has maintained it since.

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#11

TopSaver by Empire Manuf

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>I swear by this rust remover/lubricant/surface sealance/conditioner. when i know the metal surfaces will be sitting in the damp for a while, i'll go spray them down. much longer lasting than paste wax or wd40.

First, remove the rust - the kit provides the spray and scrubbers. Secondly, reapply the spray and LET IT DRY. This produces a hydrophobic coating.

if this is not an option for you, then paste wax. however since it breaks down over a shorter time, it must be reapplied more often.

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Glenn Hodges

>Bubba, there is a place in California, Higgins that sells sides for the canopy you have. I bought a set. The sides have gromets, and I thought they were pretty reasonable. If you ever want to get any sides you might want to check it out. Are you selling any boiled peanuts? Good luck with the rust. My sister says hi.

Glenn Hodges

Nashville, Ga

Up in East Glacier, Montana this summer

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#14

Boiled peanuts started...

BubbaBob

>...2 weeks ago...new location though...4 way stop by the Tate House in Tate, GA...y'all come!!!

Tell Joann I said hi, and don't worry about the walking stick. I have a 6 ft piece of Alaskan Diamond Ash my step-son in Anchorage sent me I'm gonna use.

Thanks for the tip on the tent sides.

BubbaBob

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#15

Bubba I think

Dustmaker Mike

>it is time you change your Bib Overalls. Three months is a long time to be wearing them. Glad to see you are doing good. Glad that Chevy made it over the last hill. Hopefully I will see you in a few weeks.

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#16

Chevy?.....pftttt....

BubbaBob

>Yep Mike, I'm looking forward to it.

BubbaBob

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Doug Trembath

>I use a combination of two pieces of advice you've already been given. I gleaned the info from a fairly recent issue of Fine Woodworking magazine. I use a RO sander and put Scotchbrite pads under the velcro pad. It stays there and cuts pretty darn well without changing the surface like sandpaper will do. especially the heavier grits. DAMHIKT, OK?

Best of luck, Bubba...

Doug Trembath

Studio in the Woods

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#18

Thanks folks...

BubbaBob

>...now it looks like it's time (finally) to get back to work....(now where did I put that jar of elbow grease...?).

BubbaBob

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#19

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RonZ

>Isn't phosphoric acid in Coca Cola? I use it on car batteries. =o)

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#20

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Mark Mandell - Gone Round In Jersey

>Yup. Now you know why you can dissolve a copper penny in a coke if you leave it in there long enough.

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