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Bowl gouge gind - traditional or ellsworth?
Ryan McMullen
>Ok, so I just finished making the handle for my bowl gouge and I received the gouge yesterday. After putting the two pcs together I went to the grinder and sharpened the edge. The gouge has the traditional bowl gouge grind, but I'm wondering if there is an advange to regrinding with the Ellsworth grind? Are there advantages to one over the other?
The gouge in question is a 1/2" P&N bowl gouge from Lee Valley.
Thanks in advance.
Ryan
Re: Bowl gouge gind - traditional or ellsworth?
Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.
>There are many grinds on the gouges put out by various manufacturers so I'm not sure what the traditional bowl gouge grind is. I suggest that you buy or rent an Ellsworth or Jordan tape to see the many advantages of a side grind on the gouge.
Wally
Re: Bowl gouge gind - traditional or ellsworth?
John Lucas
>The AAW video on sharpening demonstrates several methods of sharpening the bowl gouge including a very good one by John Jordan.
Re: Bowl gouge gind - traditional or ellsworth?
Chris Hogan
>I just got a P&N 1/2" bowl gouge, too!
I'd be interested in hearing what you think of yours. So far it's not blowin' my skirt up. It's not a bad tool by any means, but doesn't stay sharper any longer than my other HSS bowl gouges (Henry Taylor).
Of course, for the price, hard to beat.
Chris
Re: Bowl gouge gind - traditional or ellsworth?
David Hammond, in Powder Springs GA
>Personally, I like the Celtic/Side Grind for roughing bowls. No corners to grab, and you gain more width on the cutting tool. But I'm finding that I like the old traditional English grind, just straight across, as my finishing gouge - along with a detail gouge with a long bevel for rolling beads, etc.
David
Re: Bowl gouge gind - traditional or ellsworth?
Lyn J. Mangiameli
>I'm going to have a review out soon on a fairly wide sampling of the P&N tools. A few of the tools are exceptional in design such as their roughing gouge. I also really like their large Supa gouge and their big skew. Most of their tools are best thought of, as I see it, as alternatives to the standard British tools. Overall not particularly better or worse, just a legitimate alternative that is available unhandled and often at a little bit better price.
One thing to keep in mind with respect to P&N bowl gouges is that they are not all the same flute shape. The Supa gouges are heavy walled with U shaped flutes. The standard P&N bowl gouge has a relatively parabolic flute and the custom flute that John Jordan has them do for his re-labled gouges has a Glaser like V shaped flute. The end result is you have a lot of choices, and can pick the flute shape that best matches your sensibilities.
Re: Bowl gouge gind - traditional or ellsworth?
Ryan McMullen
>Thanks for everbody's response. I'm going to check at the next woodturners meeting if they have a video on grinding. I'm sure Chuck will let me use one of his bowl gouges to try the Ellsworth grind.
As far as how good the P&N tools are, I have nothing to really compare it to as this is my first HSS tool.
Lyn I look forward to reading your review. I am thinking of getting 1 or 2 more P&N gouges ( I really just like the practice of turning my own handle ;)
Again, thanks for the replies.
Ryan
Re: Bowl gouge gind - traditional or ellsworth?
Russ Fairfield
>The P&N turning tools are a good quality M-2 High Speed Steel. As such they are the equivalent of the Sorby, Crown, Taylor, and any other tools that are made from the same steel specification. Only the shape and surface finish of their flutes is different. As you gain experience as a woodturner, you will discover that those two factors can make a difference in how a tool behaves for you.