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Hollow Vessel Turning (Long)

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Hollow Vessel Turning (Long)

Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>For many turners, turning hollowform vessels is the next step up from turning open bowls. I've put together a few suggestions and tips that may help a beginner get started.

There are many tools to select from for hollow turning, from a simple shop-made boring bar, which can be very effective, to the many hook tools, captive tools, etc. which are on the market today. I suggest that a beginner contact one or more experienced hollowform turners for advice and suggestions on what tools to make or purchase.

It's a good idea to start by rough turning the outside between centers using a bowl gouge, and then secure the profiled blank to the lathe using your usual method. Usually that'll be a scroll chuck and a tenon, or a wasteblock and a faceplate or screwchuck, or a faceplate fastened directly to the blank. To provid support, be sure to leave heavy wood in the lower portion of the vessel, instead of turning it to it's final form. After forming the outside, I rough turn the inside, even if the wood is dry. I start by boring a 3/8 inch hole down the center to about a half inch less than the finished depth. This aids in hollowing and serves as a gauge for how deep to go. Except for very small pieces, leave the sidewalls at least 1/2 inch thick. For large pieces, especially if the wood is quite wet, up to 3/4 inch is better. Hollow vessels won't distort as much as open bowls. Try to keep the thickness constant. I start the hollowing with a 1/4 inch bowl gouge, even on very small openings. This is followed by a round boring bar that has a 1/4 inch cutter. The purpose of the boring bar is to open an area large enough for my Stewart hooker tool to get inside. It also helps if you use the boring bar to clear out the center portion of the piece as you work your way down, cutting from the center hole out.

To finish the vessel after rough turning inside and out, I completely finish the outside including sanding, except for an area around the base, where I leave heavy wood for more stable turning. The base is finished after the final hollowing is done. I remove wood chips (frequently) with a Shop Vac and a special hose tip.

I suggest that your venture into hollowform turning start by using your hollowing tool to hollow an open or nearly open bowl, so that you can familiarize yourself with the cutting action of the the tool. When you're working inside a vessel you can't actually see what's happening.

Some tips on hollowing:

If you're using a hook or swan-neck tool, place the tool on the tool rest above the curved portion. The hook shape is designed to help eliminate torque.

Set the tool rest height so that the cutting tip is cutting on center, or better yet, a little above center. Cutting below center invites a catch.

Cut with the cutter tipped down slightly. Gives a sort of shearing cut. This is especilly true when using a rounded scraper cutter.

Never allow the tool to touch the rim when cutting inside. A sure way to break the vessel if you get a catch.

Measure wall thickness frequently. It's all too easy to go through the side of the piece. Especially true when you're deep inside the vessel.

Finish hollowing a section at a time, working your way down, so that you're always cutting against heavy wood.

Because a vessel often warps a little as you turn the walls thin, I completely finish the inside area around the rim before proceeding further down the inside.

Some turners finish turn hollow vessels while the wood is still wet, but I prefer to allow the rough turned vessel to dry. When adding a collar or other rim treatment I don't want any distortion in the wood.

For deeper pieces, a steadyrest is almost a necessity.

There is a lot more to hollowform turning, but these are the basics. Good luck and have fun. Be creative. Once you've started hollowform turning, many of you'll find that you'll seldom turn open bowls.

The beaded vessel in the photo is maple and wenge and is 11 inches tall.

Wally


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Wally you are the best!

Alan Tolchinsky

>You must be reading my mind. I would like to start some hollow forms and this info. is a great start for me. I haven't done any to date as I thought it would be best to get a few bowls under my belt first. Thanks for that great article. Alan in Md.

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Keith Tompkins

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Keith Tompkins

>Wally, that was excellent! Like I said before, you should write a book.

Thanks for sharing. Keith

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Mike Rubes

>Hi Wally,

Thanks, there are lots of good tips in your note. I've just recently received a couple of tallish pieces of wood that should be just right to try some hollow form stuff.

That's a wonderful piece of work, I love the bead details.

Thanks again,

Mike

March showers in Apex, NC...

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Thanks Wally - One quick question

Ron Sardo

>Is there a grain orientation you prefer?

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Re: Thanks Wally - One quick question

Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>Ron, it really doesn't make much difference. Shallow vessels are usually face grain and deeper vessels are usually end grain, which is with the grain running vertically, from top to bottom..

Wally

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Outstanding! Thanks so Much.

Barbara Gill, Remlik Virginia

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Chuck Ludwigsen

>Wow, Wally, I almost wish I had waited 3 more days before starting my first hollowform. I'm happy to report that I don't think I violated the spirit of the steps you described.

I'm busy cutting and coating box elder today, so won't get a chance to finish the vase I started until this weekend. This vase is about 5" tall and 5" diameter.

As a rank newbie to hollow turning, the only thing I would add to your post is to start with a reasonably sized piece. Don't start by trying to turn a deep 8-10" form.

I can't thank you enough for your post. Great instruction and encouragement.

Chuck in Memphis, TN.

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Bert Smith

>A very informative article, Wally!

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Just one question Wally

Dave Smith

>Hi Wally,

Can Sandy and I stop by in a couple weeks? We will probably be there the last week of March and the first week of April. We will meet my sister and visit for a few days when we first get in town. Any turning stuff going on that I might like to attend?

Great article on hollowing. Thanks for taking the time to share with all us young people.

Give our regards to Jane.

Dave Smith

I am sneezing so the alders must be blooming in Longview, WA.

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Mark Mandell - Gone Round In Jersey

>Wally (or anyone else),

For long (2') 3/8" drill bits and (assume) 3/8" hollow center to drill those forms? I can get long electrician-style installer's bits, but I doubt they'd be accurate/stiff enough to keep/remain centered.

Thanks,

Mark Mandell

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Should be an article

Henry - Hillsboro, OR

>Thanks for the great info, Wally. Unfortunately I am still a few years away from this level. I recommend that it should be posted as an article for later reference.

-Henry

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Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>Mark, for most hollowforms and bowls I use a hand held 3/8 inch drill. For deeper vessels I'll use a chuck in my tailstock, and drill in stages as I work my way down the inside of the vessel. A larger, heavier drill can be used of course.

I have a set of 16 inch twist drills that I think came from Enco. It's been awhile.

Wally

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Rick Prevett

>Wally, thanks for the info! It's been copied and pasted into my ever-growing file of 'things I learned on WoodCentral'.

Is there a generic form you would recommend that beginners start with (along the not-quite-a-bowl but not-quite-a-closed-form line)?

rick

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Excellent Wally...

Marc Phillips

>Thanks!!

Marc

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Beginner's Form....

Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>Rick here's a pic of a slightly closed form that I think is a good place to start. As you turn more of them just close them in a little more. For good form, keep the widest part of the vessel above center.

Wally


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Re: Thanks, Wally

Mark Mandell - Gone Round In Jersey

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Re: Beginner's Form....

Rick Prevett

>Thanks Wally.

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Ron Sardo in PA

>Nice Wally.

Are the "grooves" cut with a parting tool or a wire? How did you darken them?

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Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>I cut a shallow groove, then use a steel wire with short dowels for handles. Safer that way. You can get the steel wire in a range of gauges to give a variety of widths. Turn the lathe speed up pretty high so that it'll burn quickly.

Wally

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Would guitar stringe work?

Ron Sardo

>Maybe low E?

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Joe Fleming

Beginner shapes

Joe Fleming

>Here is a trick I use when teaching someone how to hollow. If you are learning to use your new hollowing tools, then I would mount a bowl blank on a chuck or faceplate. Now visualize the bowl blank as the bottom half of a hollow vessel with a smallish mouth.

Instead of using the bowl gouge to clear the interior, move your toolrest back 6" to 10" from the face/rim of the bowl and use your hollowing tools to make the bowl. I would use a permanent marker on the toolrest to mark out the "mouth" width of the vessel so that you can intentionally keep the hollowing tool shaft in the "mouth" of the vessel.

By using this technique, you get the feel for the tool, the extra leverage, etc., but you don't have to spend time clearing chips and measuring the thickness is easier too.

Once you get comfortable with the tool, proceed to closed forms.

Joe Fleming - San Diego

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Rick Prevett

>Thanks for the idea Joe, sounds like a good way to learn the basics.

rick

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