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Roughing out a Bowl - Long with pics

Bill Grumbine, Kutztown PA

>Greetings all

It has been a long, long time since I have posted one of my photo essays anywhere on the internet. I got involved on another forum in a discussion regarding tool rests breaking while roughing out bowls, and that inspired me to grab my camera and the lovely SWMBO when it came time for me to get on the lathe to rough out a very nice piece of ambrosia maple.


In this first picture I have the bowl blank slabbed and roughed round on the bandsaw. It is installed on the lathe with a faceplate and square drive screws. On a side note, this blank probably weighs close to 80 lbs, based on past experience. It is approximately 15� in diameter and 6 �� thick. I am using a 4� faceplate and eight screws.

To rough a bowl with the best results and the most pleasure, it is essential to start at the bottom of the blank using a bowl gouge. I will first flatten the bottom of the blank to get a smooth surface. This allows me to see if there are any cracks or other defects that need to be dealt with before moving on.


In this picture you can see the flattened bottom of the bowl. You can also get a good view of the proper position for the toolrest when beginning the roughing process.


In this next picture, I have moved the tool rest so that it is approximately 45 degrees to the long axis of the lathe. This is so that I can begin to remove the corner of the blank and begin the curve of the outside of the bowl. Using a series of short passes, with each pass longer than the preceding one. I get the side smooth with a minimal amount of bouncing the gouge around. It is less wear and tear on the wood as well as the operator.


Here you can see the shaving coming off the gouge. This is fun turning to the max!


Here is a shot giving you the overall perspective. You can see the shape developing as I proceed up the side of the bowl. I am turning with a Glaser �� bowl gouge.


This is a closeup of the tenon being formed. Some of you guys like to use a recess. I like a tenon. It can be used as a foot, it can be turned away, but most importantly, it is almost impossible to crush it. Using a recess can crack the wood right in half if you are not careful.


Here we are at the top of the bowl blank. I am parting in with a parting tool to establish the rim of the bowl. This does a couple of things. In the first place, it defines the top of the curve on the bowl. That is important, as a curve needs to have its endpoints defined before it is refined. If not, the most beautiful curve can turn into something dumpy and heavy looking. Second, it removes the pith, cracks, and any unevenness at the top of the bowl.


Here is a shot of progress so far. The top and the bottom have been defined, and the bowl is ready to reverse for hollowing.


The bowl is flipped, gripped with a chuck, and the waste on the top is turned away so that a flat surface remains. The top is then marked for hollowing. The rule of thumb is to make the wall thickness 10% of the diameter. In this case the bowl is 14 �� in diameter, so I am making the wall thickness 1 ��. Since I am the proud owner of a Kel McNaughton coring tool, I do not have to turn the center into chips, but rather a smaller bowl. In this case I will end up with a bowl that is approximately 10� in diameter by the time it is finished. In other words, it is worth $100 to me at the current rate my bowls sell for. Here we see the KM tool set up and ready to core.


As a side note, the KM tool gets a bad rap from a lot of turners. Many people buy this thing and then claim that it takes the strength of Hercules to make it work. Not true. If someone is struggling with this tool, it is because they have failed to set it up properly. Here is a shot of me coring with two fingers, at a diameter of 10�+, at approximately 800 rpm. This tool is a joy to use when used properly. Coring time is about two to three minutes. Try and hollow out a bowl that fast!


Here is an action shot of the shavings coming off the gouge while hollowing out! SWMBO got this one and then retreated to the far side of the shop to avoid being covered with maple. :)


Here is the semi-finished product. This bowl is ready for waxing and wrapping in paper. Alternatively, it can be boiled, frozen, soaked in soap, or any other of the arcane methods people have used to allegedly dry wood. My most common method is to paint the end grain with Anchorseal, wrap it in paper for a month or so, and then let it dry away from moving air or light for another six months or more. This one promises to be a beauty if it doesn�t crack. Speaking of cracks, there were a few small ones on the rim at the endgrain. I sealed them with CA glue.

If you have made it this far, congratulations! If you have questions or comments, I will be glad to entertain them.

Happy turning to all.

Bill

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Ryan D., Renfrew, Ontario

>Hey Bill,

Nice tutorial. Got any pics of the smaller bowl that you cored out? Also, how much does one of those coring sets cost?

Thanks!

Ryan

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Jean Michel

>Hi Bill,

Thanks for another nice piece of tutorial, very good as usual.

The only thing that scares me a bit is your toolrest, ouch, you have to be very careful not to pass the end on either side with the gouge or the toolrest would gouge fingers...

HTH,

Jean.

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#4

Thanks Bill! Enjoyed that immensely!

Mike Schwing from Maryland

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Jorge Casta�eda ~ East Penobscot Bay

>You did it again! Nice tutorial

Thank you for sharing.

Jorge

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Ric Erkes

>Bill, maybe I can save you a minute or two.

Right before you start the coring process turn a recess to fit your chuck already on the lathe. This allows you to take the cored out bowl and reverse it in the chuck, turn a tenon on the bottom, reverse it again and hollow it out. It saves you from having to put the cored bowl back on the facelate, take the chuck off, mount the faceplate...

In my case it saves me from having to take the chuck off, put the spur drive back in, turn a foot, put the chuck back on...


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Peter Teubel

>Excellent idea!

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David Hammond, in Powder Springs GA

>Fantastic post Bill, I thoroughly enjoyed reading and looking. Your post was of some of the most basic actions of bowl turning, and even though I'm young, I've already done it a couple of hundred or more times, but the thrill hasn't lessened in the least - there's nothing like roughing green wood. I'll post an update soon, but we've hauled something in the neighborhood of ten tons of that Beech I posted about a few weeks back; I've got a lot of wood to rough out, and I can't wait!

Thanks for the post.

David

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Chuck Ludwigsen

>Thanks for an excellent tutorial, Bill.

Just came back to the computer from finishing a piece I started yesterday for a co-worker (and "customer" - I like the sound of that ;-). I was happy to see from your article that I pretty much followed the steps.

I like the idea of using a parting tool to define the top edge and then establish the curve. That will save me having to "adjust" my curve in the future.

Take care. I'll post the pic of this Cherry bowl tomorrow. I am very happy with how this one turned out. Hopefully, my co-worker will be happy as well.

Take care and thanks again. Like others, this article is getting printed and added to the shop binder.

Chuck in Memphis, TN.

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Re: Roughing out a Bowl -great teacher

Larry Barnes

>I have probably been remiss in not posting earlier, but spent a day and a half with Bill last week,, and it was the best learning experience in woodworking that I have ever had.. In addition to his and his family's wonderful hospitality, Bill is an excellent teacher. I came back with 4 rough turned bowls, including one natural edge,, and have turned 3 more since, returning home,, including one today out of a nice piece of walnut. I really believe Bill can improve your turning skills, no matter what experience level you are... and if you are anywhere close,, you should not miss the chance to work one-on-one with Bill.

Larry

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RevDoug

>thanks agaiin Bill for being willing to share information. Although I've been turning for a while now, I never fail to learn more when those of you who are turnin for a living share your wealth of information. I hope I can follow Larry's lead and come up for a lesson or two someday soon.

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RonZ

>Hi Bill,

Thanks so much for such a n informative article. It's a shame that when I go to the US to visit my family I won't be in your area. I sure would like to take a course from you.

All the best,

Ron

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Philip Duffy

>Bill, Wonderfully informative and reaffirms my thanks and thanks again for your help. Phil

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#14

As always, nice job!

Dominic Greco in Richboro PA

>Bill,

Very nice job on the commentary! Makes me feel like I was there.

Reading your post is about the only way I've been involved with my lathe lately. Too many other projects with a higher priority abound!

See ya around,

Dominic

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Re: Hmmmmm

Mark Mandell - Gone Round In Jersey

>Looks familiar. . . .

Especially like the 2-Finger Kung-Fu Death Grip!!

Mark

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David Eaves

>Thanks for the guide, great to see it in pictures. Like Dominic this is the closest I've been to a lathe for a while.

Looks like a lovely piece of wood too.

David

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Thanks Bill

Ron Sardo in PA

>Excellant. Makes me feel as if I was there with you!

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Brad Vietje

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Brad Vietje

>Nice, Bill -- Thanks !

My dad has the McNaughton, but we use it on an old Delta with riser blocks, so it isn't as stable as it should be. I plan to use it on my bigger lathe when it's set up. Feel free to send a Poolewood Euro 2000 my way if you run out of room ! (In fact, I'd be thrilled with the 1500.)

Do you have any photos of a bowl being cored from the other direction, with the knives that curve the other way ?

Safe Spinning,

Brad Vietje

Thetford, VT

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Bill Grumbine, Kutztown PA

>Good morning all

Thank you for your comments and kind words. Answers to questions follow.

Ryan, I will try to get a picture of the core in the next couple of days, but at the least it will be pictured when it is finished. I turned a trumpet shape for a customer - it is an "art" piece, so it is going to be finished very thin and let warp. I do not know the current price on the coring sets, but while they are not cheap, they pay for themselves quickly either in extra bowls sold, extra bowls gained from purchased wood, or at the least in time saved not turning the insides into shavings which then have to be cleaned up and hauled away. I bought both the large and the small KM coring tools about six years ago and paid about $325.

Jean, I have been using tool rests like this one for almost eight years now, with nary a mishap. I realize that the potential is there, but one of the rules is, don't go off the end of the tool rest!

Ric, I really like that idea! I am not much for turning a chucking recess, but in this case it looks like it is the ideal solution, and I will give it a try with the next piece I do. Usually I still have the screw holes from the original faceplae fixing, but sometimes I don't, and flipping the core into the bowl as a friction drive wastes more time than it saves most of the time. Thanks for sharing that.

To everyone, thanks again for taking time to respond.

Bill

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Bill Grumbine, Kutztown PA

>Hi Brad

I've been lusting after those reverse curve knives for a while, but haven't gotten the extra cash together to finance the set, or even one. Things are austere right now, even though I am having a great year. I have a Minimax CU300S on order, and every time I think about spending money, SWMBO, who is also the bookkeeper reminds me ever so gently that I am not allowed to spend anything for the next 10 months! ;-)

Bill

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Great Idea!

Diane Maluso in Ithaca, NY

>thanks, Ric. this is a terrific idea. I'll try it, too.

Diane

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Keith Tompkins

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Keith Tompkins

>Wow! Thanks for the excellent article. I hope Someone saves this at WC for future reference. I apprreciate the time you took to do this, Keith

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Peter Teubel

>I concur with Bill concerning the Kel McNaughton coring system. I use it frequently...mostly to cut down in the shavings produced. Extra bowl blanks are just a plus.

I purchased mine from a guy on eBay for $76 (brand new...he was selling dozens of them). Medium knife set. It was the 1st generation unit, but it works fine. I've compared it to a new unit and its about the same (the new ones are a little beefier in construction).

I have ground the tips into a shallow point instead of leaving it straight across like a parting tool (got that tip from Mike Mahoney). Much less "grab". Another thing I've noticed is that the grabbiness is directly related to the strength of the banjo its placed in. For example, I have used it in my Nova and it works ok, but when used in my big lathe (with a HUGE banjo) its much smoother and less grabby. That's because of the flex of the banjo itself changing the angle of attack of the tip.

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Re: Define . . .

Mark Mandell - Gone Round In Jersey

>"shallow point" please.

Does that mean a rounded cutter tip, a tip with an arc and the 2 side points relieved, or . . . . . . ????

tia

Mark Mandell

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Dinyar Chavda

>Bill"

I know you have a Mach 5 Poolewood (vroom , vroom!). I havea Woodfast, which has a 1.5hp DC motor. Is that sufficient for coring using the McNaugton?

Dinyar

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