Price for walnut

Re: Price for walnut

Jim Patterson

>Use this Doyle Log Scale link to calculate the board feet of lumber in this Walnut log. Keep in mind the Heartwood is the more desireable portion of a Walnut log. Value of lumber depends on grade, hear in NE PA Dried Black Walnut ranges from $2.75 - $5.00 / bf.

www.ontariowoodlot.com/.pdf/log_scaling_doyle.pdf

Re: Price for walnut

MP Wall

>Ask him what he is going to do with it if you don't buy it. Yard trees won't be bought by veneer mills (tramp metal plays hell with their machinery) and if he is going to have it milled and dried it will cost him money, then he has to sell the wood. If it is going to firewood if you don't buy it then offer double the price of the firewood guy is giving. If the tree service is going to charge him to take it way, then offer the cartage charge to him. Most people hear of 40-50k walnut trees and figure they are onto a gold mine and want big bucks for a tree otherwise destined for the fireplace. If you can get him to throw in the rootball with the deal it will work better for you as well. Good luck on your mission with this one.

MP Wall

Re: Price for walnut

Scott Hogsten

>I think you are probably going to have to walk away from this one. A green tree is not worth much money and it difficult for people to understand this especially if they are used to seeing the prices of kiln dried wood. The price of kiln dried wood has a lot more to do with costs of aquiring the the tree, processing, and drying it and not the intrinic value of the wood itself. Just ask yourself how much time and work that you would put into making this tree into bowls or hollow forms and what you could realistically make on the investment. The only way that I would pay anything for the tree would be if someone was delivering. Offer the owner a couple of bowls and a very nice thank you. The sad thing is if you don't take the tree it will probably end up as firewood or mulch.

Scott Hogsten

Re: Price for walnut

Ron Sardo in PA

>He may not like to hear this, but here in NEPA a logger my pay him $50-$100 for a quality standing tree. Most likely, the owner would have to pay upwards of $1000 to get it removed form his yard.

If the tree was knocked over in a storm, I'd offer him a bowl from a choice section of the tree as compensation for letting me take the big chunks.

Re: Price for walnut

DaveZ

>That log is only 365 bd ft. And that's if the 26" is the small end. That will not all be clear lumber, especially as a yard tree. That said I'd say it's worth $200 to me and I might even go a little higher because I don't come by much walnut(or any for that matter)

Re: Price for walnut

RPE

>3.14(r2xlength)/144 I get 530 bdft. I might be wrong.

Thanks for replies!

Mike in CapeMay

>After reading everything here and also replies from AAW email group, my thoughts are; Doyle

http://www.ontariowoodlot.com/.pdf/log_scaling_doyle.pdf

has it at about 350 BF, of course that's before bark, sapwood and pith removal.

Maybe 150 BF useable. But it's certainly not of retail value since it's not processed ie: cut, surfaced, dried, etc. May have metal in it and no sawmill will touch it. So I figure it needs to be some sort of wholesale value that would be used by sawyers as green, raw, questionable on the stump wood. I'm thinking at best it's .40 per BF of useable wood and that may be a bit high.

Re: Price for walnut

theeviltwinn

>I'd wait for the tree service to show up and try to make a deal with them. Most of the ones I've delt with are more than happy to give you some of the wood if it is only going to be firewood anyway. And it sounds like the homeowner thinks he has a gold mine. The total number bf of usable lumber in a log is far less than the total volume of wood in the log.

Mike

Re: Price for walnut

Dick Hines

>Tell him "Thanks but no thanks". I am sure there is someone in your area that has a walnut tree they would just love to get rid of, for nothing.

I lucked into some walnut last summer. Thei guy that I know knows I turn wood and one day he asked me it I wanted some walnut. Of course I sed sure. He said come on over and hepl your self. Well when I got there it was all cut into 20 inch pieces. All I had to do was load up the truck and book. He also had some mulberry cut up and so I helped my self to that also.

If some one wants to get rid of atree bad enough they will offer it to you for free. If not ask they to prosess the log and you will be back to talk money then.

Re: Price for walnut

JamieDonaldson

>All you really want is the stump, some crotches, and a few big limbs.The straight grain in the main trunk is good for furniture, but BORING for turning- no "character!"

Re: Price for walnut *LINK*

DaveZ

>You are wrong according to the lumber volume calculators over at woodweb ;-)

Doyle scale= 363 bd ft

International scale= 370 bd ft

Scribner scale= 360 bd ft


http://www.woodweb.com/cgi-bin/calculators/calc.pl

Re: Price for walnut

RPE

>I don't know about board feet calcualtors. Maybe there are assumptions like loss due to saw kerfs. bark and stuff.

The formula I supplied is the volume of a cylinder and I divided by 144 to find out how many 12"x12"x1"'s are in it. That is what a board foot is isn't it?

Thanks for the link.

RP

log scales

Tom Sontag - St. Louis

>Volume of a cylinder and calculating bf are different for the reasons you mention: saw kerf, and more. When someone says it is a 24" trunk, that is usually breast height with bark on and you should use a scale on the diameter inside the bark from the small end.

Re: Price for walnut

DaveZ

>Yes there are allocations for kerf etc., in those scales. In fact the kerf is probably figured for a circle mill at a 1/4". Another place for the difference from the absolute math, is in the edging waste.

On the flip side, bandmillers will buy logs on those scales but with careful sawing produce a 20% overrun. Cha ching!