annoyed at Oneway quality

Re: annoyed at Oneway quality

George Van

>Hi Bill,

How did you know the run out was the fault of the chuck and not the drive?

My new Stronghold is not perfect (wobbles slightly) and I thought it was the drive spindle. Maybe not?

Thanks, George

Re: annoyed at Oneway quality

RonZ

>Stand in line. I chucked [=o)] my Oneway chuck for a Vicmarc. It kept jamming on openinf and closing. Cleaning it would help but it would happen again. Vicmarc is closed so it's less prone to getting dirt inside. I now have to regular and one large and they work as smooth as a baby's behind.

Mini-Jumbo jaws are loose

Shawn - in CT

>when I screw them into my Talon chuck. The protruding bar between screw holes is just barely wider than the mating grooved in the jaws - I can tighten the screws down hard but the four plates of the jaws still wiggle a bit - is this a common finding?

how diagnosed

Bill Tindall, E. TN

>How I dediced it was the jaw part and not the lathe or chuck body.....

First I found that I could shim the #2 jaw and lessen the problem. Then I noticed that this jaw was very loose compared to other three. In fact all the jaws on this chuck are more loose than a comparitive metal lathe chuck, but this jaw was very/sloppy loose.

I put a dial indicator on the chuck body and it had little run out. I then chucked a metal rod in the chuck and it had large run out.

From this data I suspected the jaw was the problem. I removed the jaw and measured the slot in the jaw and the piece it engages in the chuck body. From these measurements I found that the slot in the jaw was nearly 0.5 mm wider than its neighbors. This defect enabled this jaw to deflect while tightening which deflected the piece being chucked.

Re: how diagnosed

George Van

>Thanks Bill,

I will check mine using your information tomorrow.

George

Re: Mini-Jumbo jaws are loose

RonZ

>No it isn't common and should be returned for replacement, at least remachined. I do assume you cleaned the chuack and tried that piece on a different jaw lug. I think that Oneway has gotten to big for their britches. This is similar to the auto industry. One car will be on top and they get slack. The next one moves in on top until they get slack...and so on and so on. Oneway is a good company that has gone slack. Our secret is to get them on their peak before they go slack. When you figure out this let me know. =o)

Please explain Ron ?

Dave Peebles Lyons,Ohio

>Hello Ron,

I saw your comments about Oneway, could you please explain what you mean?

Maybe I have been lucky, but they have constantly produced some fine tools for a long time. I have never been disappointed in anything I have bought from them.

Also, what exactly have they gone slack on?

If you are going to take a company to task, at least post the details.

Best wishes,

Dave

Re: Mini-Jumbo jaws are loose

Mark Kauder, Phenix City, AL

>Shawn,

Are you sure that the screws are not bottoming out?

Mark

Re: Mini-Jumbo jaws are loose

Kirt

>I have been using the Oneway Talon chuck for three-four months about 4-8 hours a day everyday!! I have no problems with it and it has been my "daily" chuck for good reason. I purchased the jumbo jaws for it and I am quite satisfied with the performance from them. Sure every now and again a "bum" piece of equipment is made that ends up in some unfortunates lap to cause them grief but to say that an entire company has "gotten to big for their britches" and that they no longer care is baloney! We all at times expect maybe just a bit much from manufacturers -I suspect that some of us begin to feel that we are their one and only customer and that their sales will rise and fall on our personal whim,we want them to bend over backwards when we are not satisfied and then are upset when they dont perform as quickly as we want, seriously everything takes time and showing a little patience is in order-at least they are willing to send replacement parts or correct the problem something that is not always provided for by other companies!!I also understand the frustration with having to wait for "repairs" or any unforseen delay but it is a daily fact of life that sometimes we have to wait. So lets all take a second before we "slam" a company and remember their are others that come to this site and use the information here for decision making regarding equipment purchases and an opinion quickly and harshly written may turn a potential customer away or prevent them from owning equipment that has been "normally" reliable and well made. I am sure that none of us would like to be judged as harshly or have our business dealings picked apart on an open forum without benefit of a defence.

Turning to keep warm in the Canadian North

Kirt

Mark- not bottoming out but

Shawn - in CT

>I took a closer look at things (should have done that first). The four "plates" are tight to the "sliders" they screw into. I have discovered that the wiggle I get is actually in just a tad bit of slop in the threads coupling the "sliders" with the chuck body. The arrows, below, point to the threads where the bit of wiggle-room occurs. When I tighten the shark jaws on wood there is no issue, but I'm not tightening so hard with the "Cole" jaws and that is, I think, why I have noticed the play.

Still true that the bar and

Shawn - in CT

>mating groove don't quite match - but when the screws are tight, the coupling is solid and this is not where the movement is coming from.

Issue with jaws being loose.

John Cotten, Harrodsburg, KY

>I used to get very frustrated with the jaws on my Nova products till I found most all of the chucks have some slop in them.

In talking to machinist friend who is also a pattern maker, he said jaws made for wood working always have a bit of slop so you can use them when they load up with microdust.

Paul told me that when running the lathe at speed, an sanding the dust us vortexed directly into any opening around the jaws, and if there is not any slop, will get so tight you can't get them open.

I wondered at this till I realized once I got some dust in mine, the slop went away, and they tighten very nicely. He said the only jaws he has used that do not present a problem are the Axminister, which he said are the closed to precision made machinest chucks he has seen for woodworking.

Re: Please explain Ron ?

RonZ

>Hi Dave,

Let me say that if someone gave me a Oneway lathe I wouldn't turn it down. If they gave me a chuck I'd probably sell it. =o)

While my 'research' is not concrete and is purely anecdotal, one man's experience doesn't make for a trial study either.

First, the above posts speak for themselves as does many other similar posts on other forums. Second, I have my own experience with chucks, jaws and lathe. Third, I sell and service lathes in Israel and have seen what happens here.

As I mentioned, they are an excellent company but they need to listen to their consumers. They should also monitor their representatives [at least here locally]. I was involved in a rise of the mechanical watch industry. At first, the watch companies were very snobish and snubbed the internet. Now they are drooling all over it as the internet is responsible for a major part of their increased sales. It's forums like this that send their sales sky high. Hopefully the lathe companies will wake up as did the watch industry [also an old industry]. If they were smart, they'd have staff monitor the internet and as there will be no better passive feedback for them.

Re: Mini-Jumbo jaws are loose

RonZ

>I can't speak for anyone else but myself so I will. =O)

I turn and produce what I feel are quality pieces. If my quality grew slack, then I'd want to know about it so I could correct it.

No one here in my mind whined or said lets boycott Oneway. They are pointing out what they feel are flaws and a person buying new equipment would be wise to consider this. When you're buying Oneway, their products are priced very high [if not the highest] so hence you have higher expectations. You don't buy a mercedes and expect to have the inside trim falling off.

If this was a chuck from China, there would be no discussion.

There is no need to reduce this 'to my lathe is better than yours'. People can post there experiences and opinions and others can counter post, so in the future people can be a more informed consumer. That's what a forum is all about.