Dying and sanding

1/16/04, 3:56 PM #1

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Dying and sanding

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>Hey all, today I will be applying some aniline dye to a vase I,ve turned. This is my first attemp. How far should I go with sanding to get the best results. I'll be mixing the dye with water. Thanks, Sean

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1/16/04, 4:09 PM #2

Fred L. - North Carolina
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>Sean:

With water based anything, I have sanded to 600 and applied the color. When dry I sand 600 again because it raises the grain a bit. If the dye has penetrated at all, this sanding will not affect the color. Then I go through the finer grits.

I have used an air brush at times to apply color.

FredL

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1/16/04, 4:11 PM #3

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>Sean,

I've only used analine dye on pens, not on vases. With that said, I sand to 600, apply the dye, let it dry, and very lightly sand with the grain only, lathe off. I mainly dye maples - bird's eye, curly. I've had very good luck with this technique. However, I do a CA finish, which of course leaves a glassy, glossy surface and doesn't cause a problem with the dye. I'm not sure what type of finish you're going to use over your dye, though.

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I am always on the hunt for ephemera. It can be pictures, legal document, diplomas, manuals, personal letters and anything else that shows up. I try not to keep any of my finds. I read them, enjoy them, and then look for a permanent home. I have donated to museums, schools, fraternal organizations and even to the Weyerheauser Company. My finds are distributed here in the Pacific Northwest, but also California, Iowa, New Mexico, New York, Wisconsin and Connecticut. Helpful hint: Just about every county in the country has a museum of some sort. They are usually thrilled to receive items that reflect their history and culture. I recently had in my possession a personal letter from February,1946, that had been addressed from one APO (army post office) to another. Stamped on the face was "Return to Sender, Undeliverable Address". I had found it at an estate sale, presumably at the home of the person who originally sent the letter. I have no idea why the letter was kept all these years, but it had never been opened. I opened it and read it at home. It was written by an American woman who worked as a civilian for the U.S. government in post-war Offenhut, Germany. She had sent it to another American woman who was doing a similar job in Shanhghai, China. The letter was newsy and informative about the hardships of living in a bombed out country. No doubt the conditions in Shanghai were no better. I had no great expectations of success, but I googled the name of the intended recipient. The woman's first name is uncommon, and I came upon a woman of that name who had gotten married in California in 1947, the year after the letter was sent. Further, the letter had stated that the two women had worked together for the O.N.I. (Office of Naval Intelligence?) in San Francisco during the war, so California made sense. So I had the woman's current name, or at least it was current 64 years ago. More digging revealed that there is a couple living in the same California town as where the marriage took place. He is 97 and she is 91. (It's amazing what the internet can divulge.) I got the phone number and called. The husband answered. I introduced myself and told him I was looking for a woman and mentioned her maiden name. He said yes, that was his wife's maiden name. Then I said the woman I was looking for had worked in Shanghai after the war. He said, yes, his wife had worked in China. WOW, I had hit paydirt. We didn't talk for long, but he was enthused about receiving the letter, and I mailed it the next day. He promised to write back after the letter arrived. It has been just over a week, so I am eagerly waiting for his return letter. Hopefully it will take less than 65 years to get here. Greg

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1/16/04, 4:15 PM #4

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>I will probably use a gloss lacquer and then buff. Thanks, Sean

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1/16/04, 5:47 PM #5

Dominic Greco in Richboro PA
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Hey Greg!

Dominic Greco in Richboro PA

>Greg,

Have you gotten around to turning anything from your "trivia contest" wood?

See ya around,

Dominic

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1/16/04, 6:12 PM #6

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>Not yet, though I hope to do the "main" piece possibly this weekend. I have a group of bowls I'm about to finish, and then a couple of pens, then that one. I didn't want to blow it for lack of time, or experience!

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I am always on the hunt for ephemera. It can be pictures, legal document, diplomas, manuals, personal letters and anything else that shows up. I try not to keep any of my finds. I read them, enjoy them, and then look for a permanent home. I have donated to museums, schools, fraternal organizations and even to the Weyerheauser Company. My finds are distributed here in the Pacific Northwest, but also California, Iowa, New Mexico, New York, Wisconsin and Connecticut. Helpful hint: Just about every county in the country has a museum of some sort. They are usually thrilled to receive items that reflect their history and culture. I recently had in my possession a personal letter from February,1946, that had been addressed from one APO (army post office) to another. Stamped on the face was "Return to Sender, Undeliverable Address". I had found it at an estate sale, presumably at the home of the person who originally sent the letter. I have no idea why the letter was kept all these years, but it had never been opened. I opened it and read it at home. It was written by an American woman who worked as a civilian for the U.S. government in post-war Offenhut, Germany. She had sent it to another American woman who was doing a similar job in Shanhghai, China. The letter was newsy and informative about the hardships of living in a bombed out country. No doubt the conditions in Shanghai were no better. I had no great expectations of success, but I googled the name of the intended recipient. The woman's first name is uncommon, and I came upon a woman of that name who had gotten married in California in 1947, the year after the letter was sent. Further, the letter had stated that the two women had worked together for the O.N.I. (Office of Naval Intelligence?) in San Francisco during the war, so California made sense. So I had the woman's current name, or at least it was current 64 years ago. More digging revealed that there is a couple living in the same California town as where the marriage took place. He is 97 and she is 91. (It's amazing what the internet can divulge.) I got the phone number and called. The husband answered. I introduced myself and told him I was looking for a woman and mentioned her maiden name. He said yes, that was his wife's maiden name. Then I said the woman I was looking for had worked in Shanghai after the war. He said, yes, his wife had worked in China. WOW, I had hit paydirt. We didn't talk for long, but he was enthused about receiving the letter, and I mailed it the next day. He promised to write back after the letter arrived. It has been just over a week, so I am eagerly waiting for his return letter. Hopefully it will take less than 65 years to get here. Greg

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1/16/04, 6:47 PM #7

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>With water based dyes you need to raise the grain FIRST with clean distilled water. Tap water may have minerials which can stain the wood. You should also mix your dyes with the same type of water.

After you raised the grain and the wood has dried, lightly sand, you are only trying to remove the the raised grain. if you sand to heavy the grain will raise when you apply the dyes and you have defeated the purpose.

NOW apply the dye. Sand again. If you are appling more than one color dye and you sanded too heavy you may need to raise the grain again and sand back.

Now apply your finish.

As always, you should test this procedure first on scrap, not only to get the feel of how your wood will react but also to test the colors and practice your techique.

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1/16/04, 8:42 PM #8

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>Check the article in the link. It mat be helpful.

Coloring with Analine Dyes

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1/16/04, 8:45 PM #9

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Ron Sardo in PA

>That is the best article I've read on this subject - Thanks

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