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Couple of questions for Wally

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Couple of questions for Wally

David Sophusson, Custer Wa.

>Hi Wally,

A few weeks ago I had some folks in the shop teaching them �Turning 101�. Towards the end that afternoon one of them asked about making pens using a Bic ink cartridge. I remembered that you had made them but couldn�t remember how you did it. I�ve been searching the archives for a while but can�t find that post any chance you remember where it�s at?

Next question is I�m making six end tables and three coffee tables. Becky wants them �Western Style�, I don�t have a clue what that is but I�m making them anyway. The tops are framed glass sand blasted with wild mustangs. She wants me to inlay small horseshoes into the four corners of the frames, ok no problem. At first I planed on just using contrasting wood then I thought about using turquoise nuggets, well Becky really liked that idea! Well I started to go thru some catalogs and now I�m confused! I thought I�d just get some nuggets and epoxy them in, well it turns out they have special tinted glues for different filler colors. At first I thought ok that sounds good but then when I really got to thinking about it I see a possible problem. Wouldn�t the colored filler glue just cover up the nuggets? Hmmm better ask Wally the expert how he does it, any tips?

BBQ is going to be on the weekend of July 24th this year how does that work for you and Jane? I�m going to see Vern next week and I have to make sure it works for him too.

Sophie

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Turquoise and Bic Pens...

Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>Hi Sophie...I haven't made Bic pens for years, but at one time I made several hundred. I used 3/4 x 3/4 in. blanks and drilled them with a long drill, which I think was 5/32 in. Not sure about the size but you can check what it takes for a friction fit. I drilled the hole before finding centers because the small drill wanders a bit.

I use clear epoxy for installing turquoise.

The BBQ date sounds good. We'll try to make it this year.

Wally


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Andi Wolfe

>Hey, Wally - that's the AAW symposium weekend. Does this mean we won't have the honor of your company in Orlando????

Andi Wolfe

http://www.AndiWolfe.com

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Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>Andi, Florida's in the wrong direction. The plan is to take in the Provo symposium, then continue on for our annual 2 month trip to the Northwest. Puget Sound country is hard to beat in July and August.

Wally

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Your haveing a BBQ can I come

Dustmaker Mike

>if I promise to be good(-; Sophie you going to the Boeing Museum next week with the WW club?

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Andi Wolfe

>I'll look forward to seeing you in Provo, then. I may be going the same direction as you after the meeting, too, but not for so long.

Andi Wolfe

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Question...Wally

Ric Erkes

>Wally said, "I drilled the hole before finding centers because the small drill wanders a bit."

Do I have this right. If you drilled the hole first, I assume you found the centers by centering the drilled holes on both sides of the stock. That would mean, the Bic pen plugs one hole, but when and by what means did you plug the other end? The pictures don't look like you plugged the other end, but then how did you find the center, if the hole wasn't drilled all the way through? (Not sure if that made sense?)

Thanks, Wally those look really neat.

Ric

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Wally Dickerman at Green Valley, Az.

>Ric, I used a chuck to hold the blank while I drilled it, using a jacobs chuck in the tailstock. It's been a few years, but I think that I drilled in about 4 inches. If you'll look at the pens, the hole stops where I started to turn the fancy work. I inserted a very small dowel into the drilled hole as a guide to establish the point for the mini drive center. The entry hole was the center for the tailstock. The pens were fun to make. I used a 1/2 in. skew.

I found that hard, heavy woods were best. Ebony, kingwood, tulipwood, etc.

Wally

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Bic pens Fred's way

Fred L. - North Carolina

>Hello! I have made a number of pens that use Bic and other similar stick pens.

I prefer to start with a round stick or dowel. As a matter of fact, some pens came from commercial dowels. The reason is that drilling the hole is easier for me. I have used 1/2" and 5/8" dowels.

I cut the dowel to about 3/4" longer that the finished pen with 3/8" waste at each end. I drill in the lathe, with the dowel in a chuck. I push as much of the dowel as I can into the chuck and spindle. The end of the Morse taper in the spindle seems to hold the dowel pretty steady! I mark both centers on the dowel.

I mount a SHORT 3/16" brad point drill in the Jacobs chuck in the tailstock and drill about 2". Then I change to a 6" long drill, and drill about 5" into the dowel. I drill slow, the wood will heat, and pull out the drill a few times to clear the shavings. When this is complete, I check to see if the hole is straight (most of the time it is) by inserting a long dowel (metal or wood) into the hole. This shows me how straight it is.

This hole is for the refill itself. A smaller hole for the refill part makes the pen stronger.

The next step is to drill a hole for the pen's tip (same end). I measure the tip's diameter and drill a hole deep enough for the tip + 3/8" waste.

This part of the hole then gets reinforced with glue, usually CA.

With the pen mounted between the chuck and a live center, I turn the length of the pen, excepting for the tip's taper at the live center, and the end at the chuck. I sand and put some finish on the turned part.

Then I turn the taper at the tip (live center) end. As I turn the very end of the taper, the waste parts away, and the pen is held by the chuck. Now I advance the live center to meet the turned end of the pen, with very light pressure.

The chuck end is turned, finished as much as possible, and parted. With some shapes you could remount the pen in the opposite direction to finish the end, but if the pen's body tapers as usual it will not work well. The nib is sanded off and both ends get the final finish.

Make sure the tip does not fit too tight, or you may crack the end. When using CA to reinforce the hole this is usually not a problem. Sometimes I have to open up the hole a bit with the drill bit.

When I give out these pens, I include the empty barrel so the recipient knows what to use as a refill.

These pens can also be used to make a cheap desk set. I have made several out of walnut scrap, and people love them! The pen holder is just a round piece about 2" dia. with a hole to receive the pen. I usually glue a wedge under the holder to give a a proper angle. I usually glue a piece of veneer, where the hole goes, to accent it.

On another note, the "finial" for the pen does not have to be turned as part of the body. I have turned finials separately with a little stem that gets glued in a hole at the end of the pen.

Hope this tips will help somebody.

Fred

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Thanks Guy's!

David Sophusson, Custer Wa.

>Wally great looking pens! Thanks for the info, 5/32 drill bit was right on man you have a great memory! Really hope to see you again in July.

Fred thanks for taking the time to write out the instructions it cleared up some remaining questions I had.

Mike how you doing down there? I still have 6-7 inches of snow in the yard! I finally got to take Rosy out of 4 wheel drive this morning coming to work. Speaking of which I've been having to work a lot of Saturdays lately so I'm not sure that I'm going to make the trip to Seattle, I'm hoping to though.

Sophie

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