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Bigger paring chisel...

David Weaver

..I haven't glazed this one yet (finished the metal part after hardening with a finer finish), but this was difficult to make.

https://imgur.com/gallery/GcIxkF0

Sorry about the imgur link - imgur isn't allowing me to post a link to individual images right now.

Heller file, ungodly hard for some reason, but hardened only about 3/4ths of the way up the blade and has some spring. warped like crazy (bowed) when quenched at the differential hardening point, and I straightened it by hammering, like you would a knife blank or a saw). It's still bowed just a little.

1.1 inches wide, 16" long, .1 inch thick at the bevel, .13 at the center of the blade and I didn't measure the tang (probably 0.2 or so).

I will eventually fill out the set (this one is wide, the first one was narrow), but these are not easy to make with my setup and they take at least twice as long as a nice bevel edge chisel.

I sent bill two chisels - neither was nearly as hard as this one (and maybe that's due to this one being thin, but I haven't got a great grasp on why such a difference).

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After minimal glazing and reblued

David Weaver

The dipsy do lines up near the tang will just have to stay there. utf




Last picture shows the size of the lands.

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Re: After minimal glazing and reblued

Jack Dover

A this point I'd be unable to tell whether this chisel is shop or factory made. Looks very well made. The overall shape and profile are really awesome. One would think with the current progress and all those CNC we would get the most refined chisels ever, but no, apparently it requires a guy in a garage and a bunch of old files.

Re: bowing - isn't it something we want on a chisel? Assuming it bows in a right direction and just a little bit.

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bowing.....

David Weaver

It'll bow in the right direction probably every time, though whether or not it's as constant as gradual as this would depend on process. There's a departure on my chisel vs. one professionally made (many, I should say, but one big process difference) and that is that I believe most historically made chisels would've been hardened and tempered and then most of the finish grinding done on a wet wheel, and perhaps later on, all of the bevel grinding (and maybe that was earlier, too).

I cut all of the bevels as gradual as they are shown right down to the edge as I have good heat control in my forge (but the forge is only long enough to fully heat about 6-7 inches or so of the blade, so the last bit before the tang is likely unhardened to partially hardened. These bevels and the quench differential team up to create drastic (but constant rather than random waviness) warping. I would guess right after quench, the tang would've been 1/4th inch+ off of a surface if the bevel end was held down. It's a little less than a 16th now (which i like) but I'd bet an army of catalog orderers who thinks they're going to make paring blocks would try to return any such thing as being warped.

This chisel as it is now has some carbon pooling on the surface right at the middle on the back side, but it's so far up the blade that it'll never be encountered, and that area has been hammered even though it's full hardness, and it's ductile enough to be fine. I put the chisel in a vise and push it back and forth about an inch each way (so through about 2" of travel) and it's fine with that and doesn't retain any deformation. This kind of spring is nice to have in a parer. I don't know why, but it seems to make it easier to keep them from diving. That's not proof, just a guess that could be wrong.

The chisels out there now still being made as parers, as well as the thick sided later chisels, appear to have been die forged with rough bevels made in the die striking, and with minimal follow-up grinding. I think if you can tolerate warping in production, hammer afterwards and not be forced to remove every cosmetic indication of hammer adjustment, then you can make a better chisel than you can buy of this type.

I don't know if Rob Lee or anyone else would pitch in their two cents, but I'd guess that a flexible and still hard chisel would be difficult at this point in machine tools that probably work better grinding and machining rigid blanks. The job grinders probably would've had a special backing board for anything like this to allow it to be flexible, but still support it so that it could be ground accurately.

I did most of the bevel wasting with a belt grinder and a ceramic belt as filing it wouldn't be difficult with a backing board, but I haven't made one yet. Filing it would actually be quite pleasant - the belt grinder makes it easier to overcut and I still leave a significant amount to finish with files so that it can be done accurately and there's no chance of one slip and ruination. The wonkiness at the top below the tang is how far in the lines ended up moving after file clean up, but I saw that coming after one slip up on the belt grinder. The simple remedy is just to remove more material at the top of the taper to chase the lines out a little bit and clean it up, but I was too lazy.

If I had a longer quench (I will soon), the entire length of this thing could've been heated in my larger forge and then differentially quenched just short of the tang so that there would be no warpage and bevels creating such a thing.

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Re: Bigger paring chisel from Heller file...

John Aniano in central NJ

David,

Nice job on the new parer! As others have said, you're going for the professional look. Very clean looking!

My favorite new/old files are the Hellers. The ones with the white paint on the tang. They are very hard and last a long time. And, they can be resharpened by Boggs (or other methods) and they still keep cutting well, especially the more coarse cuts.

Unfortunately, with your new chisel-making-from-file endeavors, it will be harder for those who actually enjoy using these excellent files to find them! They will have been transformed into chisels!

I might have some worn old files if you would like them. I keep some on hand that can't be sharpened to make, well, chisels and other edge tools...

John

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Gravitation by results...

David Weaver

Thanks for the info, John - I don't need to mooch files off of you. It's kind of fun to find these, but the ones with the white tangs are precisely the ones that I like the most.

I don't know anything about heller, but their heavier older files are thick in cross section (giving enough room on the flat files to hammer and then cut bevels) and they seem to get the hardest, especially in thinner cross section. To the point that some are too hard, and maybe a bit chippy even at a straw temper. This one had straw color on it out of the toaster oven, but it's ungodly hard and would be better tempered back.

It's interesting that two different people going based on feel and what's observable would probably pretty quickly come to the same conclusion. These are probably water hardening steel, but they get this high hardness in an unheated soy oil quench - a very pleasant surprise.

This chisel was a 12 or 14 inch flat metal file, but most of the ones that i'm getting in large size have a horseshoe on them, and sometimes an obvious tooth profile and size that looks better suited for a hoof than steel.

One other favorite so far is a file that says "india" and has a picture of a palm tree. No clue what they are, but the spark from them is fine and intense, and the perceived fineness of the steel is slight better (and they come out just softer).

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