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Jack Guzman from Maine

Sharpening for a working woman

Jack Guzman from Maine

>My sister is a very busy lawyer so she doesn't have alot of time to spend in the kitchen,but she loves cooking. She also has recently gotten a set of good knives. She hinted to me that a great Christmas gift for her would be a method of sharpening her knives.I don't think a set of water stones,or sandpaper and a sheet of glass are what she had in mind.

I looked at a kitchen place and saw alot of different gadjets for sharpening. Does anyone know of a good system that would work in this instance? Do those things in which you draw the blade between opposing stone wheels actually do a proper job? Any particular brand that works well?-thanks---Jack

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Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I like the little honing kit I got from LV, you could make her a little base out of something fancy; but every now and then you still need to sharpen. Maybe a ceramic stone? For years I used the Arkansas oil stone I had for woodworking tools, but today I'd use water stones. Are they Japanese knives?

Pam


LV honing kit

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Adam Cherubini, NJ

>She doesn't want a method for sharpening knives. She wants her knives sharpened! My wife says the same things. "I need help with this" means "I want you do to this".

I've tried the rollers and I don't like the edge they produce. I've never seen any of those things that really work well. I think sharpening a set of knives is a nice Christmas present for a Sister.

Let's face it- one of the skills I think we've all learned to excel at is sharpening. Nobody can sharpen a kitchen knife like we can. Just do it for her.

Adam

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wilbur

>The problem with the knife sharpeners that have you pull the knife between two small ceramic wheels is that you wind up with a small hollow grind on the edge of the knife blade. This may be good for chisels or plane blades, but for a kitchen knife it can cause a point of weakness. A kitchen knife takes much more use and abuse in the kitchen than woodworking tools, so toughness is more important. A hollow grind is not desirable on a kitchen knife.

Chef's Choice makes good kitchen knife sharpeners that can be used by people with little to no experience with sharpening. They are designed to put a microbevel(!) on kitchen knives. This helps a lot with the durability of the edge.

I have one of the manual models (Model 450, about $25). Their electric ones are good, too, and start from $60 on up. They are available at most places that carry a decent collection of cookware, including Target, Bed Bath & Beyond, Macy's, Williams-Sonoma, and so on.

On the other hand, the last time I sharpened a kitchen knife (as opposed to using a honing steel), I used a Tormek to reset the cutting edge angle as an experiment, but I don't know if your sister wants to go that route. :@)


Chef's Choice website

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I know this one... *LINK*

Bruce, a MN galoot

>My brother, a professional chef of 30+ years experience, gave us a diamond steel. This is an absolutely wonderful tool, and will keep any kitchen knife in great shape, easily. An ordinary sharpening steel works like a burnisher, and just re-forms the edge. A diamond "steel" actually sharpens a knife by removing metal with its industrial diamond coated surface. Except for a rare regrinding to reestablish the edge geometry, your sister simply wouldn't need anything else. I've reground my chef's knife once in 5 years.

Mine is a Wusthof Trident, but this Henckels from Amazon.com is the same tool.

Bruce


Henckels Diamond Steel

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Warren in Lancaster, Pa

>My first thought was the same as Pam. I think the rod sharpeners are good for a beginner. You can get a set with rods of different grits. If she is handy or more serious I would get a 1000/4000 combination waterstone- in the kitchen it is nice to just rinse everything off.

Thirty years ago my wife was working in a fancy restaurant doing prep work. She sharpened her knife on one of those pull through gizmos every day. The first time she came to visit me she wanted to cut carrots and onions and I handed her a knife with an Arkansas edge. It was fun to see her face.

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Paul in NJ

>Hi Jack,

We treated ourselves to a nice set of German (or are they Swiss) SS kitchen knives about 10 years ago. I use them quite a bit and after the initial honing I just use a sharpening steel before each use. We are careful and only use them on wooden cutting boards. The only time I had to re-hone was when someone used them to cut on a hard surface. I�m not a pro cook nor do I �Samuri� my vegetables in mid-air. My chisels and planes are much sharper than my kitchen knives. The sharpening steel gives an adequate edge to my knives for my purposes and is quick and easy. I think the steel burnishes the edge similar to how you prepare a scraper.

Paul Dzioba

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Markb

>Don't have any personal experience with it, but this guy recommends the Jiff-V Sharp sharpener. Cheap enough, might be worth a shot. His knives look beautiful and appear to be well made. Haven't seen them, but will be ordering some soon.


Wildfire Cutlery

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KitchenAid is a good choice

Marv

>I sharpen all our knives for my wife who does most of the meals for us. We bought a set of KitchenAid knives. The set included a sharpening rod that is not round but is somewhat oval in shape but has sharp edges. It has diamond dust bonded to it. This thing is great. All you do is slide each side of the knife edge across this thing with the blade at a certain angle. You can feel the diamond dust cutting. I love it. I see chefs using these things all the time on TV. I've used the round rod type but they wear out fast. I've been using this one with the diamond dust for about 6 years. IMO, KitchenAid makes some of the best utensils around.

Marv

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paul womack

>Mine is a Wusthof Trident, but this Henckels from Amazon.com is the same tool.


Both those companies are good, but boy! do they know how to charge.

I would prefer to get a diamond steel from a diamond specialist manufacturer than a knife specialist manufacturer.

e.g. DMT or similar.

BugBear

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John Veerkamp

>I second this sharpener. Our son gave my wife one a couple of years ago and it works well with little learning curve. It does require some patience the first time on any knife to get the angles ground to the machine settine.

John

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SMITH's ! ! ! . . .

steve.mackay@earthlink.net

>Smith's ceramic sharpening sticks ! Pre-set angle, safe & easy, clean-up with a green pad and scouring powder. Had 'em for years. Couple swipes and razor sharp. As most kitchen knifes don't really need to be " sharpened " only honed a bit. I even carried a smaller set in my web gear for use in the field.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

Wow--great response

Jack Guzman from Maine

>I guess this was a good question for this forum. I have to go back to work but I'll go over these responses some more this afternoon. No Pam,they're not Japanese. Just good quality cutlery.

She is handy and probably could get into water stone sharpening but she'd never find the time.More later.Thanks for the responses---Jack

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Binen

>If she has high quality knives then do what professional chefs do�have them professionally sharpened. There is no tool or gadget that can match a pro sharpening. At best they do not destroy the knife, most destroy the edge. Good knives with a pro edge will last 2 to 5 years between sharpening with home use. They will need only to be steeled unless they are abused or damaged. Last time I had mine sharpened, the sharpener charged me $7 per knife. That was 3 years ago and they still have a razors edge.

Binen

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Sounds like my wife! Now...

Scott Burr in Ben Lomond CA

>If I could just get to take a little better care of them (i.e. wash, dry and put away after each use) I'd spend less time sharpening. The biggest problem is that I bought them before we got together and they have never been dull in my life before her.

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Anybody remember when...

Robert Henderson

>...a guy came around the neighborhood in a van and everyone took their knives and scissors out to be professionaly sharpened?

Showing my age now

Anyway, there must still be some of those guys around because Alton Brown on Good Eats (Food Network) recommended that as first choice in his sharpening show. I don't remember his other options, sorry.

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They still do!

Brad in Ottawa

>I had the van drive through my neighbourhood at least twice this summer. My wife didn't understand my fascination with the novelty of it all!

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You too?

Denis Ch�nard, Orl�ans, Ont.

>What area of town do you live in? I'm in Convent Glen.

What's fun is to see people, particularly kids, running out of their house thinking the bell they hear is someone selling frozen treats :-)

DC

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Norman (Ottawa, Ont.)

>Ah..memories.

My father had a small sharpening business after he retired.

I used to go out and get work for him, had regular clientele.

Mostly Belsaw sharpening equipment.

We did everything from reel mower blades, circular saws, of course every type of shear and scissor, knives, skates, etc.

The guy driving around in the truck was our competition,

and not a very good one at that :)

Norman

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The Worst Part is...

Brad in Ottawa

>that I ran out thinking it was ice cream!

Brad

PS - I'm just off Riverside in the Alta Vista area.

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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>Adam,

Her knives are new.They don't need sharpening yet.She wants a way to sharpen them when needed and I won't be around.She lives in another state.---Jack

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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>I like the sound of that one.When I was at a kitchen supply store I picked their brochure out of a full table of different brand sharpeners.I was wondering about the reality of their advertising.Thanks for the review.---Jack

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Jack Guzman from Maine

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Jack Guzman from Maine

>My wife likes a steel.I may get her one of those.---Jack

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Cool topic, I learned something. *LINK*

Don in Northern Arizona

>Jack,

I like using a steel as it is quick, clean and fits in a narrow drawer. My stone steel is way past retirement, and my steel steel doesn't work well after knives get pretty dull, so a diamond replacement sounds like a winner. Here is a site that has DMT steels for less than the German ones. Thanks for this OT, Jack.

Don


DMT diamond steel

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Noki

>I was that woman! I gave up asking my husband to do it and bought myself a diamond stone & a very fine ceramic stone from Lee Valley. I didn't want to mess with having to relevel waterstones, and definitely didn't want to deal with slurry all over our kitchen.

Personally, I've tried V-shaped sharpeners, rods and the wheeled things that you mentioned. My dad, who is a lifelong woodworker, also showed me how to do it on a belt sander, but that was kind of scary. I've never liked the edge on my knives as much as I do now that I'm using diamond & ceramic stones. You can control what you are doing - both the angle as well as the amount of steel that you pull off.

We've got a mix of German & Japanese knives. Places like Sur La Table will not sharpen the Japanese ones (they use electric sharpeners, btw).

Also, for those in love with waterstones, there is a video of how to use waterstones properly at korin.com. I haven't seen the full video, but we did watch a session of waterstone sharpening by the owner when we stopped by the store. It looked like a (very tedious) labor of love... !

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