LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

thomd

>Is the 140 the one with the knob, and later models have a knicker? If so I have that one, and it's fine. Flex would have to be out of the range of the shaving, and it isn't a finishing plane. Can't say which is better, but it works.

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

Dave Thompson

>I haven't noticed any issue with flexing of the 140. A little extra work sharpening the blade on the 140 is the only negative in my mind.

Frankly, I have both planes and don't use either of them very often. I usually grab a 60 1/2 or 073 instead. I guess I don't do many cuts that benefit from a low angle rabbet.

enjoy,

Dave

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

Roger Myers

>No issue at all with flex, and I love the 140... of course you may (will) want two.. a left and a right..with knickers..

Ditto

Hank Knight in SC

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Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

HC Sakman

>Hi Denis,

You know the saying "don't believe everything you hear"??? It applies here. 140 has no flex that I can tell, though blade's cutting edge has to be perfectly parrarel to the mouth for consistent shavings, which can be little tricky to master. Perhaps some novice user(s) got less than perfect shavings and blamed the body configuration of the plane instead of paying attention to the mouth/blade geometry.

Besides, while the plane is in action, the entire sole is in contact with the work (except entry and exit) therefore it has no opportunity to flex unless a gorilla was using it by applying pressure on the knob and the lever cap with both hands while starting a cut! ;-)

Chico...

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

Frank D. in Montreal

>I disagree with the statement that a 140 is more versatile. It only rebates on one side of the plane. I think it's more important to try to figure out why you need the plane. The skewed blade helps the 140 for cross-grain planing, although the low angle of the 60.5 makes it capable of doing a decent job in many woods. Then there,s the issue of being able to use the 60.5 on both sides in any direction, which can be a real advantage.

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

David Charlesworth

>I prefer the 60 1/2R which gets a lot of use in this workshop. It is a favorite of Garrett Hack's too.

Interesting that no one else seems to notice this perhaps there is something wrong with mine, but I do find flex issues, can see thickness of shaving changing according to where pressure is put on plane with left hand. What's worse it changes as a shaving is taken and the downward force on the bevel comes into play.

This flex issue could easily be designed out of this type of plane but no one seems interested.

best wishes,

David

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

HC Sakman

>Hi Frank,

I agree about the versatility of 60-1/2 over 140, which is more limited by design.

Chico...

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

HC Sakman

>My hand reaches over 60-1/2 far more often than 140 as well. In my previous post, I was just addressing to the 140's flexing issue.

My 140 has been working without any problems since day one. Perhaps I am using it with less downward pressure? I don't know, but knowing the fact that you eat, drink and sleep planes, having a good sense of technical aspect of this, I'll take your word for it.

Production variation??? Once, I had to return my LN low angle jack because toe section of its sole was bent upwards. Replaced, new one seems ok. (Exchange took place 3 years ago, old one was in its 4th. or 5th. year.) Never heard of this from anyone else. So, odd plane may have some problems.

Chico...

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

thomd

>I remember testing various wooden jointers for flex a few month's back and the end result was that they all flexed enough to have an impact. From a machinist's perspective everything bends and certainly a plane missing one side is going to flex also. But I have used a number of planes that were missing the whole body, hatchets and such, and never found it a problem as long as the objective was well considered.

Re: LN 60 1/2R vs. 140?

Jim in Bulington On

>My 60 1/2R doesn't flex. I also haven't tanken intensely scrutinized shavings with it. It seems to work best for me taking very light cuts. The 140 is quite a little handfull to get optimum performance out of. It took me quite a few hours to get some mastery of it. I wonder if someone is going to make a 140 with the New Lee Valley blade adjster on their iron edging plane. It appears to be a slick little blade alignment and setup system for angled blades. I bought the 140 because it was supposed to be superior for trimming endgrain plus the rabbit feature. Well it sits on the self quite a bit.

Where's that rain coming from???

Denis Ch�nard, Orl�ans, Ont.

>Parade? What parade? :-(

Yesterday. when I went to the LN booth, Rob Cosman (and his helper, can't remember his name) both told me to go for the 140 when I asked for the 60 1/2R, one of the reasons being that while the removable side is attached, the iron can be easily registered to the to-be-removed side, guaranteeing a flush fit to the side of the plane. With a 60 1/2R, projection of the blade is a hit or miss affair, in their words.

I ended up buying the 140 ("left", can't make sense of what is left and right for that plane, and I'm a right-hander...), but there's enough comments here to make me question my decision...

I guess I'll have to play with it for a while, and see what comes out of that little plane...

Thanks for all the comments,

DC

Re: Where's that rain coming from???

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>That's what I was wondering, too, a month ago we all loved the 140. FWIW, I still do. It 's so versatile, the sole doesn't visibly flex; but I don't tend to stress tools or worry too much about why a given tool isn't working for me, there's always another way and another tool an arm's reach away. Maybe the people who don't use it are too neat, they put everything away too quickly, and they have too many purpose built planes so the versatility of the 140 is not needed. I'm more or less there with the LN LA Jack 162, which was a great first or second plane, but once you've got a lot of planes to do all those tasks, it's not needed so much.

Pam

PS Left vs Right

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>I don't understand that terminology either. Is handedness determined facing the plane or using it? From above or below? Help someone, please. I can guess that it's from behind and above in normal use, but only because I know my 140 is called right handed. How about if I pull it rather than push? But lately I've purchased several Japanese rebates, and that's thrown me into confusion, since I pull those, it may be reversed?

And it will be nice if someone can define how a blade's angle is determined. What is steep? I look at a blade that appears to have a long sloping, gradual slope, and someone else calls it steep. I think photos will be needed for this one.

Pam

Re: Where's that rain coming from???

Ian Smith (Sydney Australia)

>I suppose logic would dictate that with the side plate removed, a 140 could be expected to flex but I certainly haven't noticed it.

I've got both a left and right LN 140. I've had the right for a few months now and I liked it so much I ordered the left version a few weeks ago. My left 140 was only delivered last week and I haven't used it yet.

I have used my right 140 for trimming tenon cheeks and cutting small/shallow rebates. I reckon its a great little plane. Probably the main reason I bought the left 140 was that I was trimming some tenon cheeks and thought it would be handy to be able to plane in both directions across the tenon, towards the middle of the tenon, in an effort to avoid splitting/breaking out the edge. The 60-1/2R lets you do this without having to buy two seperate planes but it doesn't have the advantage of the skewed blade.

I have never used a 60-1/2R so I can't comment from a users point of view on how it compares to the 140's.

Re: Where's that rain coming from???

Brad in Ottawa

>Denis,

Great buy! That's exactly what I was purchasing when you left me on Friday to fend for myself with Rob! (That and a couple of chisels and Rob's new DVD, it should be out in two weeks just in time for Christmas!)

Enjoy the 140!

Brad

95, 98-99 & 140's Left vs Right issue

HC Sakman

>Hi Pam,

These planes left & right versions are meant for the grain direction and the way they have to be oriented on a specific workpiece, not the user's hands. That's where the left-right are coming from.

Chico...

Re: 95, 98-99 & 140's Left vs Right issue

Pam Niedermayer - Austin, TX

>OK, thanks, Chico, but what are the grain direction and orientation for a right handed 140?

Pam

Re: Where's that rain coming from???

Matt Wilson

>I was going to pick up a 140 as well this weekend at the show, but I forgot to factor in my buddies bachelor party Saturday night into my budget. I had to settle for just watching Rob's demos on Sunday. Good thing the groom is a good friend or I'd resent it ;-)

They are all in there....in blur. Just look. ;-)

HC Sakman

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Re: Where's that rain coming from???

Stephen in Ottawa

>Denis,

I recently bought right-hand version of the plane primarily for the skewed blade. I have old woodie skew rabbet planes and really like the way the skewed blade cuts cross grain.

I was at the show Friday night too only for about an hour or so. Spent most of the time with Rob and the rest at LV. Got myself a pair of mortise chisels and a DC DVD.

- Stephen

Re: Where's that rain coming from???

David Charlesworth

>Although the reason given makes some sense, I feel it is totally spurious.

It is perfectly simple to flush the blade on a 60 1/2R or any other rebate / shoulder plane by simply pushing the blade edge flush with the stock of a small set square (Engineers of course) or any other flat piece of metal.

It is interesting and not wholly unexpected that if you ask two craftsmen the same question you probably get at least three answers!

I have no doubt that either plane will give a lot of pleasure, but the flex/twist issue still bothers me, though probably not many other users.........

David Charlesworth

Re: Where's that rain coming from???

David Charlesworth

>Though I was reading Garrett Hack this morning and the skew 140 does not seem to be a favorite of his either.

"The Handplane Book" Taunton

David Charlesworth

#140

Marc in Luxembourg

>Hi,

I guess it is mostly due to its size and high weight. It isn't that handy on tiny pieces. And you aren't free to approach a rabbet on two sides, unless you have the two versions.

I reach most of the times for the 60 1/2 R. The latter is easy to adjust by eyeballing after a little practice.

Marc